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  1. Gweilo

    Gweilo 3rd Black Belt

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    99% of that video was crap, and not systema
     
  2. Kung Fu Wang

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    In 6 months, if someone can learn

    - wrestling single leg and uses it to take down most people,
    - boxing jab, cross combo and uses it to knock down most people,

    his 6 months wrestling training or boxing training will be better than the 3 to 5 years Systema training.

    You first set up your goal (be able to fight in 6 months). You then find a path to reach it. the Systema will not be the right path for you.
     
  3. Gweilo

    Gweilo 3rd Black Belt

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    You could try a search on the zettler twins, matt hill, or vladimir vasiliev or ryo onishi
     
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    Vladimir Vasiliev was in that video quite a bit, as was Mikhail Ryabko... these guys are decent Systema guys right?
     
  5. Gweilo

    Gweilo 3rd Black Belt

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    I agree, but would it not depend on the response of the individual?
    What is the point of learning jab hook cross, or a leg take down, if you freeze, or your mind falls to pieces at the very point it needs to be calm, how good is the jab hook cross, when 120kg man is bearing down on you, and it's your 1st or 2nd fight with no sparring experience. 6 months training is nothing
     
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    Gweilo 3rd Black Belt

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    I just watched the video again, Ryabko is in the video, vladamir is not, there is a bloke that could be mistaken for a younger vlad, but he moves nothing like him.
     
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    This is what I came to in forming my curriculum. I focus early-on in just a few areas, to build some ability quickly. It's narrow, but provides some tools (takedown defense, simple ground work, punching and knees). Then they get into the full curriculum, which builds on that foundation to give them a wider range of responses to a wider range of situations.

    But it all starts with defending against and delivering a decent punch.
     
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    We all had 6 months of training at some point. It's not nothing. The question is, "Can it be more than we have made it in the past?"
     
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    I will conceded 6 months is not nothing, but quality, and mind set are not formed over 6 months, most of us know the really hard work most MA practioners put in, and must understand there are no short cuts.
     
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    If your doing boxing then you'll almost certainly have sparred in 6 months. If your a wrestler you'll have had a live wrestling practice. From what I've seen there's not any sparring in systema even the instructor in my area said there's no sparring in it and he's a student of this vladimir guy
     
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    this guy is definitely working up to blowing up a fuel depot

     
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    It did look like Vladamir... and the description credited Vladamir...

    Anyway here are some looks at your suggestions, to save people time.
    Vladimir Vasiliev


    Ryo Onishi


    Brian Zettler

    (if you see him miss the atomic butt bounce in the beginning, keep watching, he does connect the atomic butt bounce at the end... 3:30)
     
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    6 months is plenty of time under good instruction. Sure you won't be an expert but you'll know the basics. You'll be fitter and stronger and more co-ordinated and should've had a bit of sparring by then so should have a basic idea of how to block and strike resisting opponents (assuming it's a striking style your training)
     
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    3 to five years to master the basics. How long does it take to be a successful pro boxer?
     
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    Depends on the boxer
     
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    Yeah unfortunately that pretty much encapsulates what I was talking about
     
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    No, there are no shortcuts, but we don't have to leave all competence for the long path.
     
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    Pmsl never seen that video before, he does look like he is going to blow up a fuel depot, we don't use guns where I train123
     

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