Its a funny thing to me that this is still going on. Chris Moon was suppost to have his "Hawaiian Historical Expert" contact me about Uncle David. Never heard from this expert or Chirs. Yeah. Shorinjin is about as authentic as Ninpo, you know that word Takamatsu is claimed to have made up! Lets not forget the word Ninjitsu being right up there as well. I have a J2E Dictionary from 1956 and the word Ninpo isn't in it. Don what you have asked for is documentation as would be seen in Koryu type organizations. Now I've alwyas given you credit for your knowledge of the Japanese language and such. But you are not all knowing when it comes to the total history of "Ninpo". I doubt there is anyone alive today who can claim that. You've referenced the BRD but it is limited. Very informative but still limitedsince it deal with Ryuha that were known public. Saito, a sirname, was most likely adopted after the Meji Restoration by the family when peasents were finally allowed to have sirnames and therefore were not of the ruling class. They (peasentry) were most likely illiterate until after that time so how and why should they document a family art never before taught outside the family? It was never taught in "Offical Dojo's" as a Ryuha. It is being taught that way now and Mark Saito Jr. is getting family documentation and research together now, though not to provide proof to you or anyone else but to preserve his heritage. Face it you don't know squat about the Saito's art and none of your so called experts have ever really seen much of it . You don't practice the art so you are not privy to what is taught. Neither Wayne, Dr. Friday, Dave Lowery have sat down with any of the Saitos to discuss it. They never seem to go to the source. I will say I was not present when Dr. Friday met with Master Phelps for the AWMA article so I don't know what he saw or if he only saw the some still photo's. So unless you are goig to post some records from Fukushima or have some expert on Farmer Clans and thier method of documentation them I wouldn't bother posting your information. As for Ihab. You may be involved the art but you don't appear to know much about it from your posts. You would be better off staying out of these discussions.