KT:Is this good, bad, or ugly for Tracy's Kenpo?

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  1. gpseymour

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    Why shouldn't it be?
     
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    Combinations.
     
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    It teaches you to stop congratulating yourself, after you make a move. You just keep going. :cool:
     
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    Throwing combinations at a guy who isn't defending is congratulating yourself.
     
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    So it is like focus mitts but without the realism.
     
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    This is one of the reasons from my experience why martial arts doesn't really work. You learn one defence or one combination and drill it untill you think it will work.

    You think it will work because in training you can build that up full speed. So no matter how fast he comes at you you can defend yourself. And you are building a false positive

    Because it doesn't work live or resisted.

    No matter how slick you get that combination. If they are fighting you back then they are going to move to a different position. Or throw something else or something. And the rest of that combination wont work.

    Now imagine you spent your drilling time setting up the technique properly and then adding combinations based on the idea that the other guy hasnt just frozen in place. Then if he does react you would have drilled for that.

    And if he doesnt react. Well that is all the better for you anyway.

    so meanwhile what the other guy is doing.

     
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    Most competent kenpo people understand that is all is premised on the first move working. o_O
     
  8. Touch Of Death

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    Do you have a moral problem with the exercise?
     
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    You dont really base your training on the first move working.
     
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    No a technical one. A baby can throw at a guy who is not throwing back.

    The training is designed to deal with the idea that they might.
     
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    What if I told you that techniques drills are one part of our training? :cool:
     
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    Then they should reflect the other parts of your training. Just because you do a helpful drill doesn't excuse doing a dumb drill.

    The least amount of training time for me is spent in mount punching people.

    Yet it is where I will do the most damage.

    Why do you think that is?
     
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    not a single lunge punch and freeze.

    It is almost as if that attack doesn't even happen.

     
  14. Touch Of Death

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    Maybe the beholder is dumb. :rolleyes:
     
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    What does that vid have to do with the other kenpo schools?
     
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    So there are other kepo schools that strike and just freeze in place in sparring?

    That sparring is pretty consistent with all styles. Not just kempo.
     
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    Mabye but i gave actual reasons why the drill is dumb.
     
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    First of all, I come from a school where they actually hit you, and because you know the tech, you are reacting in a way that they can realistically finish the sequence. The sequences are studies of motion. The idea is to turn it up... later, but some schools never do.
     
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    I'm saying it is different, every where you turn. :cool:
     
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    Doesnt matter what pace or power you do that to be honest. I could get a guy competent at blocking a full contact shot in about 5 minutes if I tell him where it is coming first.
     

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