How do you protect soft spots in a fight?

Discussion in 'Beginners Corner' started by amateur, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. drop bear

    drop bear Sr. Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2014
    Messages:
    16,145
    Likes Received:
    3,687
    Trophy Points:
    308
    A good stance will make that shot painful but manageable. From someone who does kick at knees and kicks at calves.




    Nobody is getting that ankle sweep to work on you.
     
  2. Danny T

    Danny T Senior Master

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2002
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    1,829
    Trophy Points:
    388
    Location:
    New Iberia, Louisiana USA
    Yeah man...we do a lot of kicks to the calf, ankle, and achilles.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. jobo

    jobo Senior Master

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2017
    Messages:
    4,644
    Likes Received:
    599
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    because it's only going to annoy them, not stop them, and if you daft enough to leave you foot there whilst someone stamps on it, you deserve it
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. JowGaWolf

    JowGaWolf Grandmaster

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    6,510
    Likes Received:
    1,882
    Trophy Points:
    263
    It actually takes technique and skill to attack the knee and there aren't many people who actually want to learn those techniques or even how to be effective with them.

    Gaining the skill to attack the legs takes a long time to learn. Those who do know how to attack the legs like that are usually people who have a passion for learning techniques in general. For me personally, that' good news. That means I have less thing to worry about being attacked with.
     
  5. Buka

    Buka MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    8,371
    Likes Received:
    5,048
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    Maui
    All my spots are soft. I prefer the Python Parry to protect them.

     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  6. amateur

    amateur Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2018
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    8
    If you stomp with your heel, it's going to be far more than a nuisance. I was stomped like that last June and it still hurts when the weather is wet.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. kempodisciple

    kempodisciple MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    4,293
    Likes Received:
    1,119
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    New York
    It's a very different thing during a fight when your adrenaline is going. The only way it's going to have a significant impact is if you have very heavy boots, or something on them that will deal extra damage. And even if a normal foot stomp might, it's not consistent enough to rely on it, or spend your time worrying about it.
     
  8. dvcochran

    dvcochran Master Black Belt

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,335
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    108
    Location:
    Southeast
    I'm not saying it will end a confrontation, I am saying it will at the very least be a distraction. More likely a deterrent though.
     
  9. kempodisciple

    kempodisciple MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    4,293
    Likes Received:
    1,119
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    New York
    I agree fully with what you said. heavy boots/work boots will have an impact. a normal (barefoot or tennis shoes) foot stomp probably wont.
     
  10. Bill Mattocks

    Bill Mattocks Sr. Grandmaster

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2009
    Messages:
    14,253
    Likes Received:
    2,270
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Michigan
    With all due respect, you haven't been in many real fights.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  11. gpseymour

    gpseymour MT Moderator Staff Member

    Top Poster Of Month

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    17,891
    Likes Received:
    5,149
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    Hendersonville, NC
    I can't speak to broken ribs, but I've bruised a few in the past. Yeah, that hurt. Not sure what it would have meant in a fight, though. I've played sports with some injuries that I'd have expected to be fight-stoppers.
     
  12. gpseymour

    gpseymour MT Moderator Staff Member

    Top Poster Of Month

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    17,891
    Likes Received:
    5,149
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    Hendersonville, NC
    My training has included stomps, as well (including as you described). I think the reason it rarely shows up in actual use is that you have to take a foot high off the ground for it. If someone's close enough for a stomp, they're probably making contact, which makes that sacrifice of structure undesirable.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. JR 137

    JR 137 Senior Master

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    4,029
    Likes Received:
    2,301
    Trophy Points:
    403
    Location:
    In the dojo
    I was about to say something along those lines...

    If someone’s close enough to stomp on my foot*, they’re certainly close enough to get punched. Most likely close enough to get elbowed, thrown, etc. Stomping someone’s foot is going to happen in the clinch or similar.

    *Stomping someone’s foot with any power or weight behind it. In order for it to have any real potential to do actual damage, their weight has to be over their stomping foot. The only way they might be out of range to get hit is if they’re leaning back pretty far. Leaning backwards and stomping forward isn’t going to have any power behind it.

    Note: I was initially thinking about it in a striking range attack and closing in attack. Looking at it as an attack while in the clinch, I guess it could be useful. More so as a distraction/softening/unbalancing thing than anything else though. Stomping the foot and trapping it there could be effective for a takedown. In wrestling, we’d occasionally step on someone’s front foot and drive forward in a tie-up, tripping them up. Happened to me once. Once.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. jobo

    jobo Senior Master

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2017
    Messages:
    4,644
    Likes Received:
    599
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Manchester UK
    Errrr, the idea in a fight is to win, there and then, giving them a toe injury that aches 6 months later , is only a bonus if you won the fight.

    Some one stamped on my toe whilst playing soccer, really hard, it hurt like hell and my toe nail fell of and never recocered properly, that only caused me to punch him on the nose, very very hard, only professional soccer player fall to the ground screaming after a toe stamp,
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. pdg

    pdg Senior Master

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2018
    Messages:
    2,763
    Likes Received:
    756
    Trophy Points:
    213
    I suppose it depends on how you react to a nuisance...

    When I was much younger I had a girlfriend who kept horses.

    I was giving her a hand with the stables, she was in with one horse and I with another (much older and calmer).

    Something fell over in the yard with a huge bang - the horse I was with had a bit of moment but calmed quite quickly.

    The one she was with, that was much more flighty anyway, had a much worse reaction, jumped and bucked around and took a good while for her to calm it.

    It wasn't until afterwards that we/she noticed the damage to her boot where the horse stamped on her foot, and apparently it didn't hurt much until she saw blood...



    So yeah, stamping on someone's foot?

    If they're really interested in the fight, it might annoy them a little, it might do nothing.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. dvcochran

    dvcochran Master Black Belt

    • Supporting Member
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2017
    Messages:
    1,335
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    108
    Location:
    Southeast
    A person has already messed up if they get in this position, but we practice different drills where you are in a rear bear hug or something close. Most of them center around sinking so that they have your weight. Especially if you have a hard sole or a heavy shoe/boot on a hard scrap down the shin will at least get their attention. A good position to work on the foot also. As @Dirty Dog said, I have my doubts that anything you can do with a stomp would require an ER trip. Someone mentioned chronic pain after receiving a stomp. I imagine they have the dreaded soft tissue injury. Seems to linger forever.
    That said, it is a pretty unrealistic position to be in unless you are clowning around with friends.
     
  17. Headhunter

    Headhunter Senior Master

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    3,346
    Likes Received:
    1,171
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Will it hurt a bit? Yeah probably but shouldn't stop you dead unless you have 0 pain tollerance....yes a push kick to the knee can damage but it could also totally miss and do nothing. I could go to the shop right now and get shot dead...but I'm not going to cry at home about it.

    My point is if you're attacked your going to probably get hurt a bit...you'll get a bit roughed up....suck it up basically it's a fight that's what happens. You can train a foot stomp defence for 10 years and your defence could still fail. There's really 0 point worrying about this stuff....just train (do you train? Genuine question) to the best of your ability and if your attacked deal with it the best you can.
     
  18. Buka

    Buka MT Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    8,371
    Likes Received:
    5,048
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    Maui
    I seemed to suffer broken ribs every ten years or so. It's just plain awful. Severity and symptoms vary depending on how many are broken, but forget about doing much for six weeks or so.

    And I'll tell you what if you ever break some......you will never be so fricken scared to sneeze in your life.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  19. JR 137

    JR 137 Senior Master

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    4,029
    Likes Received:
    2,301
    Trophy Points:
    403
    Location:
    In the dojo
    I never broke a rib, but I’ve damaged the cartilage that attaches to them and keeps them together. I’ve been told it’s the same feeling. Yup, really sucks. Mine didn’t bother me as much while sneezing. Definitely bothered me but it was tolerable. Picking up my daughters and putting them into car seats really, really sucked. One time I was contemplating just letting one of them climb into the front passenger seat and buckling her seatbelt instead. For about half a second anyway.
     
  20. Bill Mattocks

    Bill Mattocks Sr. Grandmaster

    • Martial Talk Alumni
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2009
    Messages:
    14,253
    Likes Received:
    2,270
    Trophy Points:
    263
    Location:
    Michigan
    And people who know you have a broken rib and try to make you laugh are just sadists who want to be damaged.
     

Share This Page