Getting slammed....yikes

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  1. punisher73

    punisher73 Senior Master

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    This is why some techniques are banned, it can go wrong very quickly.

    Also, some techniques aren't used in specific competitions because they want to highlight a more skilled approach. If someone pulls guard, and I just pick them up and then slam them down on the ground, I haven't used any skill to escape the guard.
     
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  2. gpseymour

    gpseymour MT Moderator Staff Member

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    Well said.
     
  3. PiedmontChun

    PiedmontChun Purple Belt

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    With jumping guard, its risky but its a calculated risk. You have locked yourself to your opponent's body and have to be prepared to react quickly if they give any indication they are going to slam. Some people jump guard. I don't, but I am a big guy and you don't see that as much with larger grapplers so not surprising.
    With closed guard in general, you don't let your opponent stand up. Very recently I competed, and I ended up with my opponent in my closed guard at some point in several matches. With the exception of one really new grappler that I quickly swept, every single person eventually tried to stand up to break the guard, and I did not let them, and it clearly frustrated them. If they stand on one leg and are off center at all, sweep them. If they step up with one leg and begin to stand, you hook the closest leg before they can finish standing. If they somehow manage to stand up on both legs, there are still sweep options (albeit lower percentage) rather than bring your back off the mat and choosing to lock yourself to them up high.
     
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  4. Kung Fu Wang

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    - A uses jump guard on B.
    - B drops elbow (or forearm) on A's throat. This is easy to do when B has cross lapel hold on A.

    Is that bad for A?

    How can A prevents that from happening since B's both arms are free?

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    In the following picture. If person on the right can hold up his opponent, he can drop down forward himself and smash his forearm right on his opponent's throat.

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  5. dunc

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    It's worth noting that in the older Japanese systems jumping guard is accompanied by strikes to knock your opponent backwards which frustrates the option to slam

    I do, however, agree that guard players need to study how to prevent getting picked up and the timing for opening guard if your opponent does stand. Both these are foundational skills in BJJ for example
     
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  6. adamr01

    adamr01 White Belt

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    I agree. While I like how effective the technique is, it seems too dangerous for competition.
     
  7. quasar44

    quasar44 Brown Belt

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    It’s very very hard to find wrestling as an adult
    I would look at mma gyms

    BJJ usually sucks at take downs
     
  8. quasar44

    quasar44 Brown Belt

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    That move is so beyond me
    You can use the same body lock from side or rear and do basic trips .
    That suplex is for real grecko warriors and not the avg man
    It’s like the spinning heel kick
    No way
     
  9. quasar44

    quasar44 Brown Belt

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    Knee picks and ankle picks can work too

    suplex , High crouch and shooting in require insane speed and strength
    I cannot pick up more than 90 Ibs lol
     
  10. Kung Fu Wang

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    IMO, this take down is better than the pull guard. You will end on top and you don't have to deal with your opponent's body weight.

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    That TD would shake my bones
     
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    quasar44 Brown Belt

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    That has to be a judo class ??
    Judo is very popular in France and all over the world except in the USA

    I think BJJ has become too consuming too most that they never learn a strike
     
  13. quasar44

    quasar44 Brown Belt

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    I only do BJJ 2-3 hrs a week and after 18 months I have far more questions than I did when I started lol

    I have done a Darci many hundreds of times at home but during rolling I messed it up lol
     
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    I only do the No-gi and I will be a white belt for life
     
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    A few good take downs that are basic

    1) side body lock to front leg trip
    2) rear body lock to forward trip
    3) rear body lock to behind drag
    4) under hook or head control to knee pick
    5) stand up double leg !!!
    6) run the pipe single
    7) head and wrist control to ankle pick

    8) super cool low single !!!!
     
  16. drop bear

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    Be a Chinese wrestling. Hip throws are not the sole property of judo.
     
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  17. Kung Fu Wang

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    - Judo uses long sleeve jacket.
    - Shuai Chiao, or Shuai Jiao (Chinese wrestling) uses short sleeve jacket.
     
  18. Kung Fu Wang

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    These 2 throws can be worse.

    1. You don't know which part of your body will land first.

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    2. You know your head will land first.

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    Seriously? How much do you weigh?

    My mower weighs quite a bit more than that, and in the cutting season I'm lifting that in and out of the trailer 5-6 times a day.

    The most I've knowingly carried (weighed for shipping) was 3 small engines and some parts in a crate - 75kg (165lb) - had to lift that and carry it 50yds from the shed to the courier van. I know I've shifted more, but hadn't weighed it...

    Just picking that much up and dropping it, no challenge at all.

    I'm not particularly strong.
     
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  20. quasar44

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    I know several body lock trips !!
    I am 6-1 and 155 only and I cannot pick anyone up123
     

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