Getting slammed....yikes

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  1. TMA17

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    Pretty scary to watch. On pavement these guys would be dead.


     
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  2. Kung Fu Wang

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    This is why pull guard and jump guard are both bad idea. It's better to be on top. It's bad to be on the bottom.
     
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    I still dont get why IBJJ tournaments dont allow slamming. If you are going to literally attach yourself to the torso of someone, you should expect them to throw you down on the floor.

    I think i got the right acronym. Just seems like a bad habit as instinctually slamming seems like it fits better.
     
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    I think you're right. I also think it can give BJJ players a false sense of security. This is why crosstraining in Judo/Wrestling with takedowns is imperative. In a street altercation, if you're going up someone very strong....like some stocky bull type of guy that lifts weights, you better be prepared to be picked up and slammed....or be able to take them down first. My .02

    Even Ben Askren got slammed hard, and he's a wrestler. He got lucky it wasn't on a slightly different angle. Lawler is strong and just picked him up.
     
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    Ya. Unless you are on a mat under jitz rules.

    It's important to know what to do from the bottom in a fight, but it's still the second last place you ever want to be.
     
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    Jump guard is for people who don't want to risk being slammed.
     
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    How can you prevent that?

     
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    Training Judo won't help you with this. Daki-age stops with the lift. You lift the uke up, and the ref calls it.
     
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    I always hated getting slammed. Even little slams. And I was always careful not to slam anyone.
     
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    You don't jump high. You just butt flop
     
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    So, it's really pretty much half a sacrifice throw - just focused on getting into guard, rather than trying to get a throw?
     
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    Yeah.
     
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    Because you can cripple someone if you do it wrong that's why
     
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    Which is why they should train to avoid getting slammed and be exposed to the ability to be slammed. Shouldn't be habit for it not to be present the reverse should be and works better.

    Better to do it on a mat/padded surface anyway than on concrete and brick.
     
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    In training yeah. MMA you can slam all you want.

    But it is hard in competition. Because once you start it you can't stop it. And so is very hard to protect against a life altering action.

    And people really shouldn't get crippled doing sport. It is generally considered a vehicle to make people stronger and better. Not worse.

    The issue is grappling is about one of the most dangerous things you can do to someone.

    You can kill people with it.

     
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    You use

    - jump guard, your opponent slams you.
    - high kick, your opponent kicks your groin.
    - single leg, your opponent punches your head.
    - waist wrapping hip throw, your opponent cracks your elbow.
    - bear hug, your opponent break your neck.
    - ...

    It's your fault to put yourself into that situation. It should be your responsibility to prevent yourself not to get into that situation.
     
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    You realize these are not death matches right?
     
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    MA training is to find the right key to open the right lock. The best counter for a technique may be deadly, but the best counter is still the best counter. If we take away the most effective counter, then what's the purpose of our MA training?
     
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    Have you fought many death matches?
     
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    What does that have to do with "to find the right key to open the right lock"? A good counter is still a good counter.

    You train body slam on the mat everyday. It doesn't mean that you have to hurt people with that.

    To have the ability to finish a fight is not the same as you have to use it all the time.

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