Experience in a SD seminar

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  1. gpseymour

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    I think part of the problem is that in many cases the people authorizing the training (administrators) feel like they should specify what the training must be/include. Often, they aren't actually qualified to do this, so the specifications they create actually hamper the training. It might include restrictions on training methods, specific techniques/approaches that can't be taught (they had an almost-injury once, so "X" can't be taught), and requirements that specific approaches be taught. The latter isn't necessarily a hindrance, unless you bring in a trainer who's not versed in that specific method. So, if it required that a BJJ-style ground arm bar is taught, that wouldn't be an issue if the trainer knows that technique well enough to cover when to use it, how to use it, and can teach it efficiently. But if I was the trainer, that'd be a problem, because my experience with that technique is rather thin (more about defending against it).
     
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    You hit on the issue with seminars, in general. We can't really convey skill in a few hours to people who have no base to work from. Heck, when I go to a MA seminar, I'm not usually going to retain actual techniques, but just information I can use to improve what I already know. If they know almost nothing about physical defensive technique, there's only so much you can do to help. I think focusing too much on "finishing" is a flaw in many SD seminars. The focus should be the initial reaction (after the non-physical areas have been covered). And it should be made clear that continued practice is necessary if they want to actually be able to do these things.

    I'd love to have a corporate client who put up for a weekly class for employees. I've never heard of one doing so, but it'd cost less than a lot of other employee benefits, and would bring some good to them (aspects of fitness, camaraderie, etc.).
     
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  3. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    Been in mandatory SD training given by the hospital I use to work at...and the class was given by a nun..... pretty much spent most of that class like this

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    Did you know it takes 5 people to take someone down...2 for each arm, 2 for the legs and one to cradle the head so the person being taken down does not get hurt......
     
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    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    You got me interested, would you mind sending me the PM too....have to admit, you have a great way of getting all of us on MT to ask for more info....you should consider a career in sales
     
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    Wow. She sounds far less intimidating than the nuns at the Catholic school I went to as a kid. I'm pretty sure any one of them could still take me down, with just a ruler and a stare.
     
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    Not a reflection on you, but I'm surprised they need a ruler ;)
     
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    I know, imagine my surprise when it turned out to be so lame. I was expecting we would all be given metal edged rulers...but NOOOOOOOOO. I mean I never went to a Catholic School, but I have heard all the stories from those that did

    There was a move taught to show you how to get someone to stop pulling your hair..... a couple slaps to the persons hand was all you needed.....she did not like my lock their hand to my head, bend over, lock them and ride them to the wall routine at all....it might hurt the person who was just trying to hurt me...and we don't want to injure them you know...... she also seemed to be oblivious that there were rather large detox and mental health units in that hospital, many of whom were brought in by the police in cuffs...
     
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    Wow.
     
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    Now I'm curious as well add me to the list I'd like to read about the seminar.
     
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    I think I sent more private messages since posting this then throughout the 6 years I was on the site.

    Entirely accidental, I promise you.
     
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    Having now read it, all I can really say is...


    Yup.

    Self defense as it is today is garbage for the most part. You just can't learn to effectivly 'do' any of the non verbal part under any sort of pressure when all you have is a few hours of stuff you only kind of remember 6 months down the road.

    To make it 'effective' requires a lot more time investment and quality of training. AFAIK there is no acreditation for SD instruction, so you could get Bas Rutten, but you could also get Mr bean. And if you know nothing you have no way of knowing who is who.
     
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    And don't get me started on the verbal de-escalation techniques..... we all know how reasonable a bleeding heroin addict in need of a fix is right...(yup, dealt with one of those too..... and sadly I never once used the verbal techniques they taught as to finding out what their reasoning was for these actions, or making them feel safe, and letting them know I was here to help them in order to calm them down.)
     
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    Possibly good advice for dealing with an annoyed customer. Unless that annoyed customer is a raging heroin addict.
     
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    I've actually done this but it has to fall into the fitness classification. Many companies provide on sight fitness.
     
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    I would appreciate a PM on that as well.
     
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    I so wish I had the time to take you up on that offer. One day I will.
     
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    I teach at a catholic school. My very first question after I officially accepted the job was “now that I’m a catholic school teacher, can I use the ruler?” My boss’s reply “only nuns are licensed to wield rulers.” :) We both had a good laugh.

    I didn’t go to catholic school, but I for all intents and purposes I might as well have - I’ve learned over the years that about 1/3 of my teachers were ex-nuns. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th grade, and several in junior and senior high school. One teacher retired the year I graduated and became a priest. I didn’t think my hometown was that religious.
     
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    One of my brother's teachers left the convent after his last class. Yep, my brother drove a nun away from her faith.:D

    Maybe she went on to teach you.
     
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    Probably :)

    The worst was 3rd grade - ex-nun from iron curtain Poland. She slapped me around a few times. I didn’t know it until a few years ago, but apparently my father physically threatened her in a parent-teacher conference with the principal present. He told her “if you hit my son again, I’ll hit you. You want to put your hands on someone who you shouldn’t put your hands on? I’ll return the favor. You’ve been warned.” That was the 3rd meeting they had with her about hitting me.

    This was the early 80s when people weren’t immediately arrested or fired for stuff like that. My mother told me that story a few years ago. That was the third meeting they had about hitting me. Best part of it was I wasn’t close to being the worst behaved kid in that class, and I got it less than most others.123
     

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