And if I don't train in a Japanese art? Say I train in an Indian art, or an Indonesian style... or just boxing/kickboxing?What a bunch of Sadistic "people"!!! (people to be substituted with the proper appointed Verb)
Martial arts is about these vitues:
Seven virtues of Bushido
The Bushido code is typified by seven virtues:
Rectitude
Courage
Benevolence
Respect
Honesty
Honour
Loyalty
Associated virtues
Filial piety
Wisdom
Care for the aged
Where is that here?
Its just evil, nothing more than that. I would never subject ANY of my students to that and I would definately report any instructor to the authorities that did this especially to Women or Minors.
Its abuse and I've NEVER heard of it occuring in the UK so where does it happen, US, Japan, Europe, Where?
Seriously can't understand how anyone could let this happen!!!
I want to vomit because I can't believe that 1 human being wants to do this to another human being, I suppose the people who think this is acceptable think its acceptable for a person to go around New york shooting anyone that comes their way or thinks the Movies "Hostel" and "Hostel 2" are comedies
sick, seriously sick
Apologies to eevery NORMAL person out there who has to read my rant
OSU
And if I don't train in a Japanese art? Say I train in an Indian art, or an Indonesian style... or just boxing/kickboxing?
That's just being pedantic!
doesn't matter where the style originates from its sick. Most people begin martial arts to give them the confidence to protect themselves against bullies. THIS is just the icing on the cake of Bullying. If they say NO, I'm not taking the Whipping?Kicking? whatever the Hazing Ritual is, does that mean they'll fail their grade, therefore this is an infringement of that individuals Civil rights, and I'm sure our American Posters know all about the Constitution!!!
Which civil right is it infringing on? There's no Constitutional implication in an action like this.
If all the participants are willing, and it's a non-injurious "welcome" to the new rank, what's the problem? Some of the stories in this thead are certainly excessive or bullying (like the instructor who kicked a woman literally off the mat to get back at her friend...), but that doesn't mean a procedure like this is automatically bad or intrinsically evil.
People train in the martial arts for lots of reasons. Some join a school to do something with their kids. Others are looking for self-defense skills. Some want to compete in sports or go to the Olympics. Or they're looking to learn another culture... Or just "I heard these guys were doing something cool, so I decided to try it." I think you're pushing to say that "most" or even many join seeking confidence against bullies.
I don't do a ritual like kicking in or a belt whipping with my students -- but some schools I know do. Everyone knows about it going in, they have fun with it, and nobody gets hurt.
Maybe its just an American thing as I've not heard of it happening in the UK, Same as "Linching" and the KKK all in good fun!!!
NOBODY has answered "what if the Candidate doesn't want the "ritual" belt whipping etc?" DOES it mean that they've failed their grade, if it is they do NOT have a choice and therefore it is an infringement of their Civil rights.
this "beating" is a new thing NOT an old thing, and not representative of true martial artists. I would say its the same schools that award themselves Soke and 10th Dans that enjoy it.
Well its not a new thing this is something that's been done for as long as men have trained for combat. We did similar things for promotion in the military. Getting your blood stripe in the Marines for example. Getting your jump wings pinned on ect. I think comparing it to the KKK is just silly. You don't like it don't do it. Don't join a school that does it.
Well I've done my own military service, even known of friends of friends shot at by "friendly fire" from you guys in the gulf 1.
I never had the Rituals and my style isn't a soft one, to me your battle scares are earned in combat NOT from some "college Hazing" ritual.
And you're supposed to be civilised. What man would allow another man to be a slave because of the colour (or Color) of his skin!
think its wrong and all that is put up to "defend" it is its a bit of fun, How many people have been killed in the last 40 years because of Hazing and other Rituals going wrong?
suppose you all belong to a school that does this as i suppose they think hazing rituals are a bit of fun
I'm not sure what friendly fire or slavery has to do with it but OK. Maybe you should just leave 8 year old threads stay dead if they make you this crazy.
That's just being pedantic!
doesn't matter where the style originates from its sick. Most people begin martial arts to give them the confidence to protect themselves against bullies. THIS is just the icing on the cake of Bullying. If they say NO, I'm not taking the Whipping?Kicking? whatever the Hazing Ritual is, does that mean they'll fail their grade, therefore this is an infringement of that individuals Civil rights, and I'm sure our American Posters know all about the Constitution!!!
Maybe its just an American thing as I've not heard of it happening in the UK, Same as "Linching" and the KKK all in good fun!!!
NOBODY has answered "what if the Candidate doesn't want the "ritual" belt whipping etc?" DOES it mean that they've failed their grade, if it is they do NOT have a choice and therefore it is an infringement of their Civil rights.
this "beating" is a new thing NOT an old thing, and not representative of true martial artists. I would say its the same schools that award themselves Soke and 10th Dans that enjoy it.
Maybe its just an American thing as I've not heard of it happening in the UK, Same as "Linching" and the KKK all in good fun!!!
NOBODY has answered "what if the Candidate doesn't want the "ritual" belt whipping etc?" DOES it mean that they've failed their grade, if it is they do NOT have a choice and therefore it is an infringement of their Civil rights.
this "beating" is a new thing NOT an old thing, and not representative of true martial artists. I would say its the same schools that award themselves Soke and 10th Dans that enjoy it.
Have a cuppa concrete and harden the **** up.
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:lol2: As our conditioning coach says 'Gan awa an get a cup o man up!'
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I will no longer respond to this thread, Good Day
It's just a case of someone whining when they don't hear what they want to hear or when their bully tactics get turned back on them. Prove them wrong and you're "attacking them". He's probably gone whining to the mods about anyone who's disagreed with them. Common troll tactic. If he's not a troll, he's got thin skin and should 'toughen up'. Unless soft, delicate skin is a job requirement, in which case "it puts the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again.:rofl:You said that already
I know ALL about body conditioning, it what I teach best. there's a difference between conditioning and humiliation!
All this taunting reminds me of the school grounds, not what I'd expect from Mature Martial Artists.
For me Battle scares are received through combat not a silly ritual.
I know we Knockdown Karateka are hard in our training with body conditioning, knockdown Kumite, 30-, 50-, 100-, 200-, & 300- man Kumite etc which I accept because the participants have a choice.
To me this is nothing more than glorified Hazing and is on par with Street Gang Initiations
http://www.gangsorus.com/initiations.html
You wont change my mind and it seems you guys think its fun, hey if you're kinky enough to enjoy a "whipping", hey who am I to interupt your "play"
I will no longer respond to this thread, Good Day