On another thread, I claimed that that longer forward-moving sequences in kata don't appear to be all that well suited for empty hand fighting, as the attacker is only arm's length away. I posted the following links to a range of kata across a number of systems. I am interested in seeing the evidence that these sequences do map well to empty hand fighting. I have read here and elsewhere that kata are clearly designed for empty hand fighting. I maintain that while there are sequence is kata that do map well to empty hand fighting, that some sequences don't seem to be designed for defending against a stationary opponent, arm's distance away. I was requesting links to video that provide evidence that these longer sequences can be used effectively in empty hand self-defense. Unsu (2:18 to 2:36) Oyadomari Passai 45 to :49) Wankan 18 to :24) Kusanku 38 to :45, 1:25 to 1:30, 1:37 to 1:41) Naihanchi Nidan 06 to :13) Wansu 10 to :18, 34 to :37) Gojushiho 30 to :36) Chinto 32 to :39, :42 to :54, 1:01 to 1:07) Jion 23 to :28, :37 to :51, 1:01 to 1:10, 1:17 to 1:24) Chinte (1:10 to 1:16, 1:18 to 1:27, 1:50 to 1:56) Jitte 23 to :24) Matsumura Passai 22 to :29) Koryu Passai 15 to :19) Ananko 36 to :43) Anan (7:43 to 7:50, 8:02 to 8:06) Pachu (3:56 to 4:00) I was surprised at a reply that I received. It described a concept in Okinawan karate that I was unfamiliar with, and want to better understand how common this concept was across other systems. K Man replied: I would be most grateful if anyone could provide two videos of any Okinawan kata, especially ones from this list, one of the "kihon" kata and one of the "advanced form". I am also interested in any responses from any non-Goju students. Are there, in your schools, kihon and advanced versions of kata? Did any of Kyan's students, or Itosu's students, or Hohan Soken, provide kihon versions and advanced versions of the kata that have been handed down. Are they done in less widespread systems like Uechi Ryu, Ryuei Ryu, Genseiryu, or Bugeikan? I was not aware that Higaonna or Miyagi passed down two (or more) versions of each kata, one basic, the other advanced. I have not seen that in any literature, nor seen that in the several Goju dojos I have been in, nor heard that Mabuni, who trained with Higaonna as well as Miyagi, taught multiple versions of kata. I would be most interested to learn if this practice is done in more than one of the systems of Miyagi's students (Higa, Yagi, Miyazato, Toguchi, Yamaguchi), as well as in Toon Ryu, which also descends from Higaonna. I would be grateful to K Man for links to one Goju kata (please not Gekkisai or Tensho) in both kihon and advanced versions.