Originally posted by heretic888
I'll try and add my 2 centz in here and there....
... So says you. ...
Yes, SAYS ME. I just spent most of my life doing comparitive cultural analysis, Eastern in particular, that's all ...
And I am aware that both internal and external conditioning is found in both cultures. My point is that many internal studies (outside of Aikido and Ninjitsu, perhaps) were lost or distorted into simplified practices, less detailed theory, etc.. by the time they reached Honshu.
And just what is it that makes that kind of conditioning "proper" or "true"?? ...
My words are not predicated on personal raw assumptions. It's common sense. Stuff that hurts you is bad. Stuff that still works but doesn't hurt you is better.
And you would almost be right about circumstance if it took longer to condition internally, but it is debatable whether or not it does. The difference is what knowledge is available, and to some extent herbal medicinal knowledge as well (supplemental to some advanced training).
What makes you think he did [say those things] ?? ...
I made it clear I was not sure what he meant by what he said, but it could be interpreted the way I took them.
Whoever said "raw violence" takes no skill??
So people who have raw violence are so high and mighty to attribute this to skill and not personality. Are you talking about training with the dark side of the force, or real life?
I SAY raw violence takes no skill. I find it hard to believe anyone who has been in or even seen a real fight would question this. The fact someone has skill AND raw violence is irrelevant. "Raw" violence is sloppy yet instinctual, and yes, effective. And that's why a pi**ed off teenage girl with no training could very possibly rip you a new **** and take the black belt off your gi just to smack you with it afterwords.
Yes, it takes training to overcome this. But why glorify it? It's like saying it takes skill to start a house on fire because it takes a lot of training to put it out safely.