When I Say, "The Way I See It"

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When I say the words, "The way I see it," in posts that I make what Im saying is that it's just my opinion, not that I'm stating it as fact. Im just making an educated guess, or stating my position.
 

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When I say the words, "The way I see it," in posts that I make what Im saying is that it's just my opinion, not that I'm stating it as fact. Im just making an educated guess, or stating my position.
Sounds good. Thats the way that I have always taken it. No problems here.
 

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"The way I see it,"
It's very tedious to attach "This is just my personal opinion" on each and every thread that you post. You post the thread. Of course it's your opinion (by default).

When you use the word

- "I", people may think that you are self-center.
- "you", people may think that you try to force others to do something.

A: The way I think ...
B: Do you assume the sun is moving around you?

A: You may think ...
B: Don't shove your opinion into my throat. ...

Avoid using "YOU" and "I" in any thread should be the best way.
 
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When I say the words, "The way I see it," in posts that I make what Im saying is that it's just my opinion, not that I'm stating it as fact. Im just making an educated guess, or stating my position.
If you have to say this after a decade of being here, then you know those words are falling on blind eyes. Whatever you're trying to stop from happening by using that disclaimer, there are some bloodthirsty sharks here that this won't work on.

Just last week, I made a statement where I put a particular word in quotation marks to keep the bloodthirsty sharks away, but one ignored it and still showed up anyway. And I had to remind him twice that the word was in quotations.
 

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Unless a statement is accompanied by some sort of citation, I implicitly assume it is opinion. This is how in goes in everyday, normal conversation of which this message board is an extension.
 
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Unless a statement is accompanied by some sort of citation, I implicitly assume it is opinion. This is how in goes in everyday, normal conversation of which this message board is an extension.
I dont go that far. If I get enough information to be able to independently verify, I can accept something as a fact even if it isnt accompanied with a bibliography.

FWIW, I agree its a good idea to provide links to sources. I do that pretty often, but I dont think anyone actually reads the studies.
 

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Unless a statement is accompanied by some sort of citation, I implicitly assume it is opinion.
I would even go as far to say that even if someone aspires to commmunicate a fact, that will never be the same as an actual fact, not matter how you see it. It still needs to be qualified. Without this qualification, even a "statement of a fact" remains close to an "opinion"; namely the opinion that someone consider this to be a fact. But the receiver should always make it's own evaluation.

One could even make a case that facts, if defined by some statistically confidence level, can still be relative to your sampling. Thus two persons can justify incompatible effect facts, and that is not a contradiction at all.
 

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I would even go as far to say that even if someone aspires to commmunicate a fact, that will never be the same as an actual fact, not matter how you see it. It still needs to be qualified. Without this qualification, even a "statement of a fact" remains close to an "opinion"; namely the opinion that someone consider this to be a fact. But the receiver should always make it's own evaluation.

One could even make a case that facts, if defined by some statistically confidence level, can still be relative to your sampling. Thus two persons can justify incompatible effect facts, and that is not a contradiction at all.
Facts can be opinions in the same way literally can mean literally or figuratively.
 

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Its funny because its true.

Thats great! Thanks for pointing this out.
 

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When I say the words, "The way I see it," in posts that I make what Im saying is that it's just my opinion, not that I'm stating it as fact. Im just making an educated guess, or stating my position.
This required a new thread?
 

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When I say the words, "The way I see it," in posts that I make what Im saying is that it's just my opinion, not that I'm stating it as fact. Im just making an educated guess, or stating my position.
I don't think this is necessary for you to explain. I think it's clear to me. lol

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This required a new thread?
Getting a bit more philosophical that then OP intended? but as I saw that picture with the horses reflectign over the dude with the bat I could even argue that our whole word is made up by opposing views. The tension/contradiction implicit in the differing views, is what makes nature non-trivial and dynamical. Some effective objectivity is what remains when we start interacting with differing views, and at some point we may reach equilibrium where we agree to disagree, and the corresponding invariants from that are "objective facts", or at least "effective objective fats" on moderate timescales.
 

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When I say the words, "The way I see it," in posts that I make what Im saying is that it's just my opinion, not that I'm stating it as fact. Im just making an educated guess, or stating my position.
Is it necessary to always use "I" or "you" in your post?

When you say:

Because leg is longer than the arm,

1. if I punch you, you can kick me.
2. if you punch your opponent, your opponent can kick you.
3. if A punches B, B can kick A.

- 1. uses I.
- 2. uses you (general YOU).
- 3. doesn't use I or you.

When you use "I", people may think you are self-center. When you use "you", people may think you try to force your opinion on others. IMO, 3 is the best way to say.
 
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I dont go that far. If I get enough information to be able to independently verify, I can accept something as a fact even if it isnt accompanied with a bibliography.

FWIW, I agree its a good idea to provide links to sources. I do that pretty often, but I dont think anyone actually reads the studies.
Something has to be said for experiential credit and the knowledge gathered.
If it looks like it, and smells like it, it usually is. If a person needs more proof (for whatever reason), it is on them.
 

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Something has to be said for experiential credit and the knowledge gathered.
If it looks like it, and smells like it, it usually is. If a person needs more proof (for whatever reason), it is on them.
Sure but thats a little harder to gauge on an Internet forum. It gets tricky when people start appealing to authority. And some folks talk a good game, particularly when it comes to something squishy like self defense. It can be difficult to tell the difference between shark and a remora, sometimes.

Dont get me wrong, do you. If you trust someone or dont, thats up to you. This is just the way I see it.
 
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