Well that's new..... or newish

[Xue Sheng]

Per Yang family edict, Yang Chengfu taught Yang family taijiquan to his students.... so his students (in my case Tung Ying Chieh) could teach Yang Taijiquan. Tung Shigong taught my Shifu Yang taijiquan. However my Shifu cannot teach Yang Family Taijiquan, but he can train it. What he teaches would be Tung style or a style of his own. Now getting to me, I cannot learn or teach Yang style taijiquan, even though I trained it for 30 years. Welcome to Yang family politics.

But that point is actually moot, after 30 years I discovered I can no longer get myself to do traditional Yang style Taijiquan. So I worked with the Sun style short form I know, which I changed a bit, based on my Xingyiquan background. And I decided to do the fisrt form I ever learned, from my first shifu, the Beijing 24 form (aka Yang 24 form). However as I did the form I felt it was lacking a few things, so I started to change it, it also, IMO, disrupted the flow at one point, kind of a hard stop IMO (the snake creeps down bit, which I removed and replaced) My 24 form looked very traditional to begin with and I added some postures from the Yang 108 (or 88 depending on how you count). So right now I think it is about 50 postures. So, for the purposes of MT I will call it Xue style Taijiquan (not what I am actually calling it by the way,, since it is no longer 24 and I cannot have even learned Yang style, little alone teach it. And I think after 30 years, it is really no big deal that I say I have my own style of taijiquan. Currently it only has 2 forms, the 50 and a 13 postures form, However for the record, the 13 postures form is still a work in progress.

Beyond that I will be pursuing traditional Sun style.

 

[hoshin1600]

Congrats on the new style. Welcome to the club. Lol.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Per Yang family edict, Yang Chengfu taught Yang family taijiquan to his students.... so his students (in my case Tung Ying Chieh) could teach Yang Taijiquan. Tung Shigong taught my Shifu Yang taijiquan. However my Shifu cannot teach Yang Family Taijiquan, but he can train it. What he teaches would be Tung style or a style of his own. Now getting to me, I cannot learn or teach Yang style taijiquan, even though I trained it for 30 years. Welcome to Yang family politics.

But that point is actually moot, after 30 years I discovered I can no longer get myself to do traditional Yang style Taijiquan. So I worked with the Sun style short form I know, which I changed a bit, based on my Xingyiquan background. And I decided to do the fisrt form I ever learned, from my first shifu, the Beijing 24 form (aka Yang 24 form). However as I did the form I felt it was lacking a few things, so I started to change it, it also, IMO, disrupted the flow at one point, kind of a hard stop IMO (the snake creeps down bit, which I removed and replaced) My 24 form looked very traditional to begin with and I added some postures from the Yang 108 (or 88 depending on how you count). So right now I think it is about 50 postures. So, for the purposes of MT I will call it Xue style Taijiquan (not what I am actually calling it by the way,, since it is no longer 24 and I cannot have even learned Yang style, little alone teach it. And I think after 30 years, it is really no big deal that I say I have my own style of taijiquan. Currently it only has 2 forms, the 50 and a 13 postures form, However for the record, the 13 postures form is still a work in progress.

Beyond that I will be pursuing traditional Sun style.

Yeah. Unrealistic wishes. Like I've always said. Martials art tells us to swallow our ego then things like this happen.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Congrats on the new style. Welcome to the club. Lol.

Ditto lol.

 

[gyoja]

Per Yang family edict, Yang Chengfu taught Yang family taijiquan to his students.... so his students (in my case Tung Ying Chieh) could teach Yang Taijiquan. Tung Shigong taught my Shifu Yang taijiquan. However my Shifu cannot teach Yang Family Taijiquan, but he can train it. What he teaches would be Tung style or a style of his own. Now getting to me, I cannot learn or teach Yang style taijiquan, even though I trained it for 30 years. Welcome to Yang family politics.

But that point is actually moot, after 30 years I discovered I can no longer get myself to do traditional Yang style Taijiquan. So I worked with the Sun style short form I know, which I changed a bit, based on my Xingyiquan background. And I decided to do the fisrt form I ever learned, from my first shifu, the Beijing 24 form (aka Yang 24 form). However as I did the form I felt it was lacking a few things, so I started to change it, it also, IMO, disrupted the flow at one point, kind of a hard stop IMO (the snake creeps down bit, which I removed and replaced) My 24 form looked very traditional to begin with and I added some postures from the Yang 108 (or 88 depending on how you count). So right now I think it is about 50 postures. So, for the purposes of MT I will call it Xue style Taijiquan (not what I am actually calling it by the way,, since it is no longer 24 and I cannot have even learned Yang style, little alone teach it. And I think after 30 years, it is really no big deal that I say I have my own style of taijiquan. Currently it only has 2 forms, the 50 and a 13 postures form, However for the record, the 13 postures form is still a work in progress.

Beyond that I will be pursuing traditional Sun style.

Congratulations!

 

[Xue Sheng]

Last count I believe I am at 60 postures and happy with it. Most of what was added was for application purposes. There is a little Wu style and a little Sun style in it now as well. And I think I may be finished, but then that cold change.

 

[windwalker099]

care to show a little of it ?

 

[Krisxylove]

Per Yang family edict, Yang Chengfu taught Yang family taijiquan to his students.... so his students (in my case Tung Ying Chieh) could teach Yang Taijiquan. Tung Shigong taught my Shifu Yang taijiquan. However my Shifu cannot teach Yang Family Taijiquan, but he can train it. What he teaches would be Tung style or a style of his own. Now getting to me, I cannot learn or teach Yang style taijiquan, even though I trained it for 30 years. Welcome to Yang family politics.

But that point is actually moot, after 30 years I discovered I can no longer get myself to do traditional Yang style Taijiquan. So I worked with the Sun style short form I know, which I changed a bit, based on my Xingyiquan background. And I decided to do the fisrt form I ever learned, from my first shifu, the Beijing 24 form (aka Yang 24 form). However as I did the form I felt it was lacking a few things, so I started to change it, it also, IMO, disrupted the flow at one point, kind of a hard stop IMO (the snake creeps down bit, which I removed and replaced) My 24 form looked very traditional to begin with and I added some postures from the Yang 108 (or 88 depending on how you count). So right now I think it is about 50 postures. So, for the purposes of MT I will call it Xue style Taijiquan (not what I am actually calling it by the way,, since it is no longer 24 and I cannot have even learned Yang style, little alone teach it. And I think after 30 years, it is really no big deal that I say I have my own style of taijiquan. Currently it only has 2 forms, the 50 and a 13 postures form, However for the record, the 13 postures form is still a work in progress.

Beyond that I will be pursuing traditional Sun style.

This is very interesting. I imagine that back in the day this was the same way that new forms developed. My example is very different than what you're talking about but I noticed that sometimes when I'm practicing and I'm in the right flow state, I'll practice the sequences out of the regular order and merge postures from the various forms together. I'm not able to command it, it just sort of happens and its brief. But for I moment I can almost imagine being able to have control over all of the hundreds of postures at will.

But I just wanted to say that if you are strait up creating forms you should defiantly document it in some way. It's sort of like your responsibility to continue a lineage, like those before you.

 

[Xue Sheng]

care to show a little of it ?

No, not really. I. like my Yang Shifu, am not big on videos

 

[Xue Sheng]

This is very interesting. I imagine that back in the day this was the same way that new forms developed. My example is very different than what you're talking about but I noticed that sometimes when I'm practicing and I'm in the right flow state, I'll practice the sequences out of the regular order and merge postures from the various forms together. I'm not able to command it, it just sort of happens and its brief. But for I moment I can almost imagine being able to have control over all of the hundreds of postures at will.

But I just wanted to say that if you are strait up creating forms you should defiantly document it in some way. It's sort of like your responsibility to continue a lineage, like those before you.

That is a good way to practice, I did that a lot in Xingyiquan.

 

[Krisxylove]

That is a good way to practice, I did that a lot in Xingyiquan.

I read a little about Xingyiquan and saw some demonstrated by Dimitri Nogay. It's fascinating.

 

[windwalker099]

No, not really. I. like my Yang Shifu, am not big on videos

Thanks for the reply..... While understanding and agreeing in part....
If someone mentions they have something "new" or "different" Would be "nice" to see it, rather then read about it...

 

[Badhabits]

This is very interesting. I imagine that back in the day this was the same way that new forms developed. My example is very different than what you're talking about but I noticed that sometimes when I'm practicing and I'm in the right flow state, I'll practice the sequences out of the regular order and merge postures from the various forms together. I'm not able to command it, it just sort of happens and its brief. But for I moment I can almost imagine being able to have control over all of the hundreds of postures at will.

But I just wanted to say that if you are strait up creating forms you should defiantly document it in some way. It's sort of like your responsibility to continue a lineage, like those before you.

Keep in mind the action is what happens between the postures, while you're in motion. The postures themselves are the end of something being done. The postures itself is less important than how you moved to get to it.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Thanks for the reply..... While understanding and agreeing in part....
If someone mentions they have something "new" or "different" Would be "nice" to see it, rather then read about it...

It is mostly Yang with a dash of Wu, Sun and one could argue possibly a tad of Chen. But I have 30 years in Yang it is mostly Yang. And based on Yang family politics, I could not have learned Yang..... their politics tend to be silly, but it is what they have.

 

[windwalker099]

It is mostly Yang with a dash of Wu, Sun and one could argue possibly a tad of Chen.

Interesting...

Noticed the base styles used for your work, are all recognized taiji methods...
Can you speak to what you felt they added or completed....or maybe what you felt was missing from the taiji you practiced already..

If you feel you've already outlined it in your opening post, no point in addressing it here.
just wondered..

 

[Xue Sheng]

Interesting...

Noticed the base styles used for your work, are all recognized taiji methods...
Can you speak to what you felt they added or completed....or maybe what you felt was missing from the taiji you practiced already..

If you feel you've already outlined it in your opening post, no point in addressing it here.
just wondered..

Its not that complicated, or that deep, I tend towards application of forms more than just what I call "the Taiji dance"

I did Traditional Yang for 30 years and could no longer do it. I had been forcing myself out of, well, tradition. I tried CMC, learned CMC and even did a variation of CMC, couldn't do that. Worked on the Wu form I know, nope, even went back and worked on some Chen, nope. Could do Sun, but that has more to do with my Xingyi and Bagua background plus the Taiji. I could also do the Beijing 24 form, but I did not agree with some of the progressions and it was missing things. So it started with changing 24 and then adding in the bits of Yang that I felt were needed. As that went on there is something in Wu that I think is very applicable to application and SD and I saw a place where, at least to me, it fit. Due to another change, I took out snake creeps down because to me it broke the flow, changed the energy and was more for show than anything else. what I added needed more to keep the form moving that is where the sun bits and possibly Chen bits came in.... There is a 13 posture form I was working on prior to this, but gastritis got me to stop. I will be working on that again soon.

 

[windwalker099]

Its not that complicated, or that deep, I tend towards application of forms more than just what I call "the Taiji dance"

again thanks...

Don't really know what "taiji dance" means outside of ones own practice..
Some may indeed practice with competition in mind...kind of changes the focus of a practice...

My interest is on empirical based taiji practice , theory and usage .
The various sets, and methods,,"styles" all part of practices to develop a method.


My teacher taught the 24 step as a precursor to learning what he once called old 6 roads, later just the 88 step...
Our 24 step a little different, due to the influences of his training...

Thanks again for your reply....

Was interested in the post, at one time I had also created a new taiji method based on my background
addressing some things I felt were missing....my focus a little different then yours.

After around 5 years of development and testing, discontinued the project, having arrived at a deeper understanding of what I was looking for, realizing the changes were not in the direction I wanted to pursue

 

[Xue Sheng]

again thanks...

Don't really know what "taiji dance" means outside of ones own practice..
For other's practice's it's their practice, some I find interesting others not so much..
Some may indeed practice with contest in mind...kind of changes the focus of a practice...

My interest is on empirical based taiji practice , theory and usage .
The various sets, and methods,,"styles" all part of practices to develop a method.


My teacher taught the 24 step as a precursor to learning what he once called 6 roads, later just the 88 step...
Our 24 step a little different, due to the influences of his training...

Thanks again for your reply....

Was interested in the post, at one time I had also created a new taiji method based on my background
addressing some things I felt were missing....my focus a little different then yours.

After around 5 years of development and testing, discontinued the project, having arrived at a deeper understanding of what I was looking for, realizing the changes were not in the direction I wanted to pursue

My Yang teacher was a student of Tung Ying Chieh, that is my lineage. I use to help my teacher teach and I use to teach push hands to his newer students. However he does not know anything but traditional Yang as it came from his teacher. My 24 form and Wu came from a teacher I had before him. My Yang Shifu did not teach 24 form or anything else.

Taiji dance is doing the form for form sake, generally to music, with no real understanding of why other than being told it was good for you. However, if that is what one wants to do, I'm ok with that, to each his own. However I was trained with a bit more depth and expect more.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

It is mostly Yang with a dash of Wu, Sun and one could argue possibly a tad of Chen. But I have 30 years in Yang it is mostly Yang. And based on Yang family politics, I could not have learned Yang..... their politics tend to be silly, but it is what they have.

That's okay. If you were to ever compete, or your students were to ever compete, I'm sure they would say you're doing muay thai. And discredit yang as fake muay thai. And use it as proof that muay thai is the best and cma is worthless.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

So I worked with the Sun style short form I know, which I changed a bit,

I'm glad to see you contribute your knowledge and help the Taiji system to evolve. Without evolution, today we still use DOS instead of WINDOW.

One of my students wants to get his 4th degree BB. I give him one assignment and that is to "integrate leg skill into the Taiji system". Hope in our next generation, nobody will say that Taiji has no leg skill.