Brian R. VanCise said:
I know where I am weak. I recognize it. I try to understand it, and stay away from it.
Was it Pride or Ego or both that made it hard for him to listen to those who did try to help him?
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I know where I am weak. I recognize it. I try to understand it, and stay away from it.
Was it Pride or Ego or both that made it hard for him to listen to those who did try to help him?
rutherford
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When he said something like, "I've been winning every fight. Even the fights I lost - they were all due to getting caught in some silly submission."
I thought the answer was clear.
I thought the answer was clear.
His ego was just to big so that he would not listen to his fellow team mates! Good lesson there, in that you may not see your weakness but someone else may be able to point it out to you. Listening to other people can help you out in any aspect of your life.
Brian R. VanCise
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rutherford said:
Some people just aren't coachable. I didn't want him to lose, but I knew he was going to get rocked just because he didn't seem like he wanted to learn anything.
Hey, whats up with that one guy from Shamrocks team consulting the guy from the other team? That's kind of a team betrayal, no?
rutherford
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James Patrick said:
There's at least 2 groups that have formed alliances across teams. Remember, the two guys who train under Randy Couture were at the beginning of the show.
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scottcatchot
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It is that Survivor mentality crossing over. They are there for themselves, not for the team.
Before this season:
I had no respect for either coach as a person.
Now into this season, I have even less respect for Ken Shamrock, who seems to be interested in living his old glory days in an almost drug induced haze.
I also have developed some minor respect for Tito Ortiz. He admits he is playing mind games. He admits he is being an *******. He also admitted he did not do enough research and missed a guy that ended up on Shamrock's team. So he has plans to for the head game with him to pysch him out before he gets into the ring to make a mistake. He works he team even if I do not always agree with the methods. Now that being said, I still think he is a jerk, but the fact that he admits he is a jerk and also capable of making a mistake, means I respect him for those points.
I had no respect for either coach as a person.
Now into this season, I have even less respect for Ken Shamrock, who seems to be interested in living his old glory days in an almost drug induced haze.
I also have developed some minor respect for Tito Ortiz. He admits he is playing mind games. He admits he is being an *******. He also admitted he did not do enough research and missed a guy that ended up on Shamrock's team. So he has plans to for the head game with him to pysch him out before he gets into the ring to make a mistake. He works he team even if I do not always agree with the methods. Now that being said, I still think he is a jerk, but the fact that he admits he is a jerk and also capable of making a mistake, means I respect him for those points.
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scottcatchot
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I agree, I have always disliked Tito, but he does seem to be attempting to be a good coach and working well with the guys. I guess He is human like the rest of us....rich parsons said:
Rich Parsons said:
We are both in agreement on this Rich. Shamrock continues to disapoint and while I do not like Tito, I am gaining some respect for him as a coach.
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rutherford
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So, Ken made some interesting statements. He told all his fighters that he wasn't going to work them hard in the gym, that if they didn't come to TUF with the skill and the heart to win, they weren't going to pick it up a week before they fight.
Tito has the opposite strategy. He's working his guys really hard, and you can hear him talk about what skills he thinks his guys still need to pick up to be well rounded fighters.
What do you think?
Seems to me that Ken's strategy isn't working, especially because his guys don't believe that it's a good strategy and have pretty low morale.
Tito has the opposite strategy. He's working his guys really hard, and you can hear him talk about what skills he thinks his guys still need to pick up to be well rounded fighters.
What do you think?
Seems to me that Ken's strategy isn't working, especially because his guys don't believe that it's a good strategy and have pretty low morale.
It is really tough to tell if it's the training strategy that is making the difference, or the coaches' eye for talent when picking the teams. For example, Ortiz nearly laughed out loud when Shamrock picked Kristian so early.
I would like to think the training is making a difference, but that may be because I like how Ortiz is doing his training.
Speaking of Kristian, it took me a while to realize that it wasn't an asterisk or Cingular logo carved into the back of his head and that he was giving props to home with a fleur-de-lis.
I would like to think the training is making a difference, but that may be because I like how Ortiz is doing his training.
Speaking of Kristian, it took me a while to realize that it wasn't an asterisk or Cingular logo carved into the back of his head and that he was giving props to home with a fleur-de-lis.
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rutherford said:
I think you gotta work hard if you expect to win. You can't just sit back and think "I either have or don't have the skills, and training won't make the difference." I think that training makes a huge difference, which is why Tito's guys are winning.
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scottcatchot
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crushing said:
Oh, is that what that was supposed eo be? I still had not figured it out.
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scottcatchot
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Ken is being very unprofessional and not giving his guys the benefit of his experience. He should be working them, showing them where they need to improve. These guys are here because they all want that contract, not everyone will get it but they could all gain some experience and learn from a "legend" and have ideas of what to work on if they don't win. Unfortunately all Kens team seems to be getting is blown off.
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That's because Ken beleives his won hype. I think he's too into the "World's Most Dangerous Man" and the Lion's Den being god's gift to MMA. It's just too bad that his team has to suffer for it.
I tend to agree whith what is being said by most, that ken has hurt his team by not training him to the best of his ability and knowledge. Then again maybe he figures they where picked for the show so they must have knowledge and will start doing something on there own.
Tito on the other hand I am learning to respect (something I never did befor) He is training his people in both the phyical and mental aspects of the game and seems to be doing a damn good job of it.
I wonder if Ken just did not have a clue as to what to do or just took the job to get his face in front of the world one more time
Tito on the other hand I am learning to respect (something I never did befor) He is training his people in both the phyical and mental aspects of the game and seems to be doing a damn good job of it.
I wonder if Ken just did not have a clue as to what to do or just took the job to get his face in front of the world one more time
tshadowchaser said:
What if this to the best of Ken's Ability?
What if he got where he is just being able to take more pain then someone else and not really on teching methods or techniques, just being the one who can stand more pain or punishment?
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Rich Parsons said:
Good question and an excellent point.
Rich Parsons said:
I think Ken's ablities as a coach and his abilities as a fighter are very different things. Meaning that Ken wasn't self-taught. The Lion's Den seemed to be more Bob's operation than it was ever really Ken's. Ken mainly helped with the funds via WWE contracts etc.
