Tiger Style Kung Fu (Huxing)

[CMyers0323]

I have a book that im attaching called Huxing Quan Tiger Fist. In one of the chapters they talk about the 5 elements in Tiger Kung Fu im wondering if anyone else knows any information about this? I'd love to chat about the mechanical of it its one thing to read and another to fully understand it all. Keep in mind this book was translated from Chinese so it's not the best but im working with what I got

 

[Shugyosha45 40]

Do you have the complete book?

 

[CMyers0323]

Yes! I thought i added it to the original post. I got the original Chinese version and a translated one that I ran through some site which I can see has some inconsistencies but it gets the job done to some extent. Here's both versions

I think it added both if not I'll add the other one

 

[Shugyosha45 40]

Okay so my karate style descends from the art huxingquan descends from so we have all these techniques as well. The 5 elements refer to the level of hardness of a weapon. One knuckle punch is metal and goes against a soft target. Nukite is wood. Not as hard but hard. a regular fist is earth. I have to ask about the other two. Also I have to remember where I read this lol, either in one of the Bunburydo volumes or in the Kyohon.

 

[CMyers0323]

Okay so my karate style descends from the art huxingquan descends from so we have all these techniques as well. The 5 elements refer to the level of hardness of a weapon. One knuckle punch is metal and goes against a soft target. Nukite is wood. Not as hard but hard. a regular fist is earth. I have to ask about the other two. Also I have to remember where I read this lol, either in one of the Bunburydo volumes or in the Kyohon.

Oh wow thanks thats so cool now it makes sense why they may have chosen those weapons so if i understand correctly (from the book)earth its like a wing chun low block or crane where you use the wrist but the fingers sort of wrap against the attack, metal is like a wrist strike or well gold/metal, water has the same palm up but closed hand you'd press down draw back then come in for a strike sort of like a wheel like arc?, wood now i assume the block is used like a pak sao/parry from wing chun just fingers fanned out? As for the strike based off the description I assumed it'd like a willow palm but that doesn't follow the original image, and fire seems like a standard tiger claw but palm strike?

 

[Shugyosha45 40]

Oh wow thanks thats so cool now it makes sense why they may have chosen those weapons so if i understand correctly (from the book)earth its like a wing chun low block or crane where you use the wrist but the fingers sort of wrap against the attack, metal is like a wrist strike or well gold/metal, water has the same palm up but closed hand you'd press down draw back then come in for a strike sort of like a wheel like arc?, wood now i assume the block is used like a pak sao/parry from wing chun just fingers fanned out? As for the strike based off the description I assumed it'd like a willow palm but that doesn't follow the original image, and fire seems like a standard tiger claw but palm strike?

Yes actually. Wing Chun shares many principles with Uechi Ryu and Huzungquan and the 5 Fujian Crane styles. I'm of the belief that Wing Chun is a crane style that branched off early and I'm pretty sure Huzun/Huxing is derived from crane as well or so thoroughly influenced by it due to crane's dominance in the milieu of martial arts Huzun/Huxing arose in

 

[CMyers0323]

Yes actually. Wing Chun shares many principles with Uechi Ryu and Huzungquan and the 5 Fujian Crane styles. I'm of the belief that Wing Chun is a crane style that branched off early and I'm pretty sure Huzun/Huxing is derived from crane as well or so thoroughly influenced by it due to crane's dominance in the milieu of martial arts Huzun/Huxing arose in

Ah okay good to hear I'm getting this right i mean if you have any more material on it it would be greatly appreciated. I was shocked to see a 5 elements spin in Tiger Claw. That would make sense if it was I mean the common idea is it's snake crane so to have it as a early branch of Crane makes sense. I could see Huxing being derived also from it. Im guessing crane just must be alot older? Then again there's so often a crane and tiger forms so it could easily have been that also.

I do remember speaking of Wing Chun my sifu speaking on a 5 elements in there also. He had a quick set going through the moves. Fire was like Bil jee but instead of using the fingers like a stabbing motion you do bil jee but slice with the blade edge of the hand.

 

[Shugyosha45 40]

Ah okay good to hear I'm getting this right i mean if you have any more material on it it would be greatly appreciated. I was shocked to see a 5 elements spin in Tiger Claw. That would make sense if it was I mean the common idea is it's snake crane so to have it as a early branch of Crane makes sense. I could see Huxing being derived also from it. Im guessing crane just must be alot older? Then again there's so often a crane and tiger forms so it could easily have been that also.

I do remember speaking of Wing Chun my sifu speaking on a 5 elements in there also. He had a quick set going through the moves. Fire was like Bil jee but instead of using the fingers like a stabbing motion you do bil jee but slice with the blade edge of the hand.

I don't have any more specific resources at hand, but I do want to say Ng Go Cho also has these principles ( it's also a 19th century fujian crane derived art)

 

[CMyers0323]

I don't have any more specific resources at hand, but I do want to say Ng Go Cho also has these principles ( it's also a 19th century fujian crane derived art)

Ahh okay thanks! No worries I'll check this out. You also mentioned Bunburydo volumes or in the Kyohon. Those if its in one of them should have the same techniques?

 

[Shugyosha45 40]

Ahh okay thanks! No worries I'll check this out. You also mentioned Bunburydo volumes or in the Kyohon. Those if its in one of them should have the same techniques?

So the bunburydo talks more about philosophy of old school Uechi Ryu, but the Kyohon is like our Bubishi however neither are instructional. If you want an instruction look up Uechi Ryu Karate Do by Sensei George Mattson. It's the most complete and accessible English language books on the subject from white belt up to shodan imo.

 

[CMyers0323]

So the bunburydo talks more about philosophy of old school Uechi Ryu, but the Kyohon is like our Bubishi however neither are instructional. If you want an instruction look up Uechi Ryu Karate Do by Sensei George Mattson. It's the most complete and accessible English language books on the subject from white belt up to shodan imo.

Thanks ill be sure to look it up im sure I can find it online. Hopefully the book i sent here helps in some way for you. If i didnt give the English version and you need it let me know.

Thats interesting you mention it goes that far up i recall my sifu having a book I think a karate book going from white belt to black or higher but I could be wrong on that