These are the hyung Hwang Kee knew:

[Muwubu16858]

I asked my teacher, and from the list of hyung in Hwang Kee's Soo Bahk Do Dae Gam, GM Hwang only knew:

Kicho 1-3
Pyung Ahn 1-5
Bal Chae Dae & So(Bassai)
Naihanji 1-3
Jindo
Ship Soo
Rohai(Matsumura version)
Wang Shu
Jion
Ee Ship Sa
Oh Ship Sa Bo
Kong Sang Goon Dae
So Rim Jang Kwon
Tae Geuk Kwon

There were a few others that i couldnt remember what he said. The ones he knows are the ones he showed in the book, and the few that he explains without pictures after tae geuk kwon. The others listed in his book at the beginning of the hyung section were kata known not to him, but that he had seen before by other kwan founders who had brought them back from Japan after WWII. He listed them, but went on to create his own hyung (chil sung and yuk ro), like most style founders do after years of practicing hyung from other styles. Nothing new, just recreation of old (a lot more chinese influence in his new hyung, in stead of okinawan).

 

[rmclain]

I asked my teacher, and from the list of hyung in Hwang Kee's Soo Bahk Do Dae Gam, GM Hwang only knew:

Kicho 1-3
Pyung Ahn 1-5
Bal Chae Dae & So(Bassai)
Naihanji 1-3
Jindo
Ship Soo
Rohai(Matsumura version)
Wang Shu
Jion
Ee Ship Sa
Oh Ship Sa Bo
Kong Sang Goon Dae
So Rim Jang Kwon
Tae Geuk Kwon

There were a few others that i couldnt remember what he said. The ones he knows are the ones he showed in the book, and the few that he explains without pictures after tae geuk kwon. The others listed in his book at the beginning of the hyung section were kata known not to him, but that he had seen before by other kwan founders who had brought them back from Japan after WWII. He listed them, but went on to create his own hyung (chil sung and yuk ro), like most style founders do after years of practicing hyung from other styles. Nothing new, just recreation of old (a lot more chinese influence in his new hyung, in stead of okinawan).

Thank you for posting this.

I find it very interesting that he has only two Chinese forms listed (Sorim Jang Kwon and Tae Geuk Kwon), when his primary influence was supposed to be Chuan-fa training in China. Seems these two forms are eluding the senior MDK instructors nowadays.

R. McLain

 

[Chizikunbo]

Thank you for posting this.

I find it very interesting that he has only two Chinese forms listed (Sorim Jang Kwon and Tae Geuk Kwon), when his primary influence was supposed to be Chuan-fa training in China. Seems these two forms are eluding the senior MDK instructors nowadays.

R. McLain

Master Dan Segerra has more than once advised that Hwang Kee is said, among the senior yudanja, and others to have known over 100 forms...

--josh

 

[exile]

Thank you for posting this.

I find it very interesting that he has only two Chinese forms listed (Sorim Jang Kwon and Tae Geuk Kwon), when his primary influence was supposed to be Chuan-fa training in China. Seems these two forms are eluding the senior MDK instructors nowadays.

R. McLain

Rob—from what I've read, his main MA influence was actually the Gojo-ryu style he appears to have studied under the somewhat shadowy Gogen Yamaguchi when the latter was a Japanese intelligence officer doing various somewhat unclear assignments on behalf of the military in Manchuria. I've read somewhere—don't remember, but it was a reliable historical source—that the emphasis on the chuan fa aspect postdated the war and was intended to deflect criticism that would have attached to him on the basis of too great a Japanese influence on his MA.

 

[Mr. Daly]

Master Dan Segerra has more than once advised that Hwang Kee is said, among the senior yudanja, and others to have known over 100 forms...

--josh

Josh, Master Choung, Wha Young, (6th Dan in 1980) new about 200 hyung from various Korean (and other) styles. He teaches several of these at different levels.

--Don

 

[JT_the_Ninja]

Josh, Master Choung, Wha Young, (6th Dan in 1980) new about 200 hyung from various Korean (and other) styles. He teaches several of these at different levels.

--Don

Wow. That's a lot of hyung. I can't even begin to wrap my mind around that concept, knowing that many hyung, much less knowing them all well enough to teach them. I mean, even keeping the names straight would be a challenge.

 

[mjd]

I totally agree with JT, 200, wow

 

[rmclain]

Master Dan Segerra has more than once advised that Hwang Kee is said, among the senior yudanja, and others to have known over 100 forms...

--josh

Interesting. I wonder why he didn't pass them along?Mr. Daly,Wow! I didn't know there were 200 hyung from Korean martial arts systems to chose from. (ITF, ATA, WTF, old kwan katas) I never took the time to add up and get a total. It would be interesting to see his list.Exile,I never heard that Hwang Kee was a student of Gogen Yamaguchi. His form list appears to not be from the Goju-Ryu lineage. Could you provide more information?R. McLain

 

[Chizikunbo]

Rob—from what I've read, his main MA influence was actually the Gojo-ryu style he appears to have studied under the somewhat shadowy Gogen Yamaguchi when the latter was a Japanese intelligence officer doing various somewhat unclear assignments on behalf of the military in Manchuria. I've read somewhere—don't remember, but it was a reliable historical source—that the emphasis on the chuan fa aspect postdated the war and was intended to deflect criticism that would have attached to him on the basis of too great a Japanese influence on his MA.

He exile,
I'm surprised no one has bitten this one yet.
Hwang Kee never met, nor trained under Gogen Yamguchi...this is pure fiction, it was spouted off by Len Losik who is less than credible in anything he writes...he even went as far as to trace pictures out of SBD TSD Vol.2 for his book on hyung...

In the past there has been tons of untruth written and construed about the Moo Duk Kwan anf Hwang Kee...If you purchase Hwang Kees "History of the Moo Duk Kwan" he notes that he was first exposed to martial arts by a shop keeper who was involved in a scuffle with some youth, he used Taekkyun to defend himself. Hwang Kee asked to be his student afterward, however the shop keeper declined saying he was too young...HK was discouraged but found a place where he could watch the man practice and would mimic his movements. While working he was in Manchuria where he met Chinese Master Yang Kuk Jin (Young Jen Kou) and studied from him for around 2 years he studied Yang Ryu Tae Keuk Kwon (Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan), and Dahm Doi Ship Ee Ro (12 Sprining Legs) (in his first Moo Duk Kwan School he taught a style called Hwa Soo Do, which was teaching what he learned from Master Yang) I think it was in 1936 he was working on the Railroad in Seoul, and often spent hours in the library, he would read about astrology, astronomy, philosophy, and martial arts mainly. Here he found "texts on Japanese karate" and studied from them...this is where TSD gets is form from, Pyong Ahn (Heian/Pinan), Balsae (Passai), Nae Bo Jin (Tekki/Naihanchi), Amhak (Chito), Ship Soo (Jutte), No Pae (Rohai), Kong San Kun (Kwanku/Kusanku), Ship Sam Soi (hangetsu/seishan), Yunbi (empi/wangshu), Sa Oon (Jion), Oh Ship Sa Bo (Gojushiho)...all of these are Okinawan/Japanese forms...Hwang Kee took them and made them Korean, added the kicking of Taekkyun, and the large hip movements, philosophy etc. and Tang Soo Do was born. Sometime later Hwang Kee discovered the Mu Ye Dobo Tonji (Comprehensive Illustrated Manual of Martial Arts) in the Kwon Bup section (Fist Methods) he studied further, and refined his knowledge in creating his final art form of Soo Bahk Do, which combines all of the knowledge he had acquired.

Hwang Kee's only formal training was approx. two years under Master Yang, everything else came form books, and watching other people (first taekkyun, then other practitioners in Korea after 1945)...

take care,
--josh

 

[Chizikunbo]

Josh, Master Choung, Wha Young, (6th Dan in 1980) new about 200 hyung from various Korean (and other) styles. He teaches several of these at different levels.

--Don

Interesting...thanks for the info....


I think there is a difference between Knowing a form, and being able to go through a form...I dont think we can ever truly know one form let alone 200 LOL, but this does have alot to say that there is more there lol ;-)
--josh

 

[rmclain]

He exile,
I'm surprised no one has bitten this one yet.
Hwang Kee never met, nor trained under Gogen Yamguchi...this is pure fiction, it was spouted off by Len Losik who is less than credible in anything he writes...he even went as far as to trace pictures out of SBD TSD Vol.2 for his book on hyung...

In the past there has been tons of untruth written and construed about the Moo Duk Kwan anf Hwang Kee...If you purchase Hwang Kees "History of the Moo Duk Kwan" he notes that he was first exposed to martial arts by a shop keeper who was involved in a scuffle with some youth, he used Taekkyun to defend himself. Hwang Kee asked to be his student afterward, however the shop keeper declined saying he was too young...HK was discouraged but found a place where he could watch the man practice and would mimic his movements. While working he was in Manchuria where he met Chinese Master Yang Kuk Jin (Young Jen Kou) and studied from him for around 2 years he studied Yang Ryu Tae Keuk Kwon (Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan), and Dahm Doi Ship Ee Ro (12 Sprining Legs) (in his first Moo Duk Kwan School he taught a style called Hwa Soo Do, which was teaching what he learned from Master Yang) I think it was in 1936 he was working on the Railroad in Seoul, and often spent hours in the library, he would read about astrology, astronomy, philosophy, and martial arts mainly. Here he found "texts on Japanese karate" and studied from them...this is where TSD gets is form from, Pyong Ahn (Heian/Pinan), Balsae (Passai), Nae Bo Jin (Tekki/Naihanchi), Amhak (Chito), Ship Soo (Jutte), No Pae (Rohai), Kong San Kun (Kwanku/Kusanku), Ship Sam Soi (hangetsu/seishan), Yunbi (empi/wangshu), Sa Oon (Jion), Oh Ship Sa Bo (Gojushiho)...all of these are Okinawan/Japanese forms...Hwang Kee took them and made them Korean, added the kicking of Taekkyun, and the large hip movements, philosophy etc. and Tang Soo Do was born. Sometime later Hwang Kee discovered the Mu Ye Dobo Tonji (Comprehensive Illustrated Manual of Martial Arts) in the Kwon Bup section (Fist Methods) he studied further, and refined his knowledge in creating his final art form of Soo Bahk Do, which combines all of the knowledge he had acquired.

Hwang Kee's only formal training was approx. two years under Master Yang, everything else came form books, and watching other people (first taekkyun, then other practitioners in Korea after 1945)...

take care,
--josh

That's the story I know as well.

What I am surprised about is there is credit given to the text, "Mu Ye Dobo Tonji," for other techniques he incorporated into his system. This text is really just an encyclopedia of martial art, not an instructional manual.

R. McLain

 

[Chizikunbo]

That's the story I know as well.

What I am surprised about is there is credit given to the text, "Mu Ye Dobo Tonji," for other techniques he incorporated into his system. This text is really just an encyclopedia of martial art, not an instructional manual.

R. McLain

Yep, KJN relates this story in his "History of the Moo Duk Kwan"...

GM was fascinated by the Mu Ye Dobo Tongji, and studied the information contained in is to "resurrect" Soo Bahk Ki, his 'Hwa Sun' hyung is actually his rendition of the MYDBTJ Kwon Bup Bo form (which is actually Qi Ji Kwang's 32 Postures)...the Yuk Rho are his interpretation of the information...Chil Sungs are his combined knowledge, and the Ship Dahn Kum, well we dont know much about them, they are a set of 10 forms, that are said to contain vital point strikes with delayed effects...personally I have my doubts..
--josh

 

[Muwubu16858]

Master Dan Segerra has more than once advised that Hwang Kee is said, among the senior yudanja, and others to have known over 100 forms...

--josh06-26-2007 04:57 PM

For this one, all I hae to say is no he didn't. The only forms that Hwang Kee really knew, other than the ones he created, are all listed in the SBD Dae Gam in the Hyung section. No, not the list on the first pages, but the Hyung Demonstrated thru Tae Geuk Kwon, and the ones he explains with no pictures after TGK. The others that he mentioned in the list in the beginning of the hyung section are all ones he didn't know, but mentioned for the purpose of making them known to us. My teacher learned the other hyung not used by Hwang Kee from his uncle, Yoon Kwe Byung (Korea Karate-Do Association, Ji Do Kwan). If you can ever get your hands on it(and know how to read and understand korean), there is a book on Karate-Do that has many important hyung that were taught in Jidokwan by Grandmaster Yoon Kwe Byung. I will put a cover shot of it up on my avatar tomarrow sometime. It is by far a good reference, except for the fact that it doesnt tell you the foot directions for the hyung.

 

[rmclain]

Master Dan Segerra has more than once advised that Hwang Kee is said, among the senior yudanja, and others to have known over 100 forms...

--josh06-26-2007 04:57 PM

For this one, all I hae to say is no he didn't. The only forms that Hwang Kee really knew, other than the ones he created, are all listed in the SBD Dae Gam in the Hyung section. No, not the list on the first pages, but the Hyung Demonstrated thru Tae Geuk Kwon, and the ones he explains with no pictures after TGK. The others that he mentioned in the list in the beginning of the hyung section are all ones he didn't know, but mentioned for the purpose of making them known to us. My teacher learned the other hyung not used by Hwang Kee from his uncle, Yoon Kwe Byung (Korea Karate-Do Association, Ji Do Kwan). If you can ever get your hands on it(and know how to read and understand korean), there is a book on Karate-Do that has many important hyung that were taught in Jidokwan by Grandmaster Yoon Kwe Byung. I will put a cover shot of it up on my avatar tomarrow sometime. It is by far a good reference, except for the fact that it doesnt tell you the foot directions for the hyung.

Yoon Kwe-byung also created his own bong hyung and wrote a bong-sul/hyung textbook when he lived in Japan (dedicated it to his instructors Toyama Kanken and Mabuni Genwa). Did your instructor pass along Yoon Kwe-byung's bong hyung?

R. mcLain

 

[Chizikunbo]

In Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Do Volume 1 Hwang Kee lists the following forms (starting at #26)...I believe he knew all of these forms by one way or another, I dont feel he would have listed them only for purposes of them being listed. After all this was a text about HIS art. If we remember in his 1995 History of the Moo Duk Kwan GM tells us that while working on the railroad in Seoul beginning 1936, he spent most of his time studying the the library, he studied “texts on Japanese Karate” so texts is plural, I believe this would have given GM plenty of forms to learn, because lets say he studied Gichin Funakoshi's 1922 “Ryukyu Kenpo: Karate” he would have learned many forms in detail. Also he was among the other Kwan leaders often and probably learned forms here and there from them, and also by watching demonstrations...Today there are lots of things not taught in the MDK that exist, and lots of things that have been all together dropped...

1. Chil Sung Il Rho
2. Chil Sung Ee Rho
3. Chil Sung Sam Rho
4. Chil Sung Sa Rho
5. Chil Sung Oh Rho
6. Chil Sung Yuk Rho
7. Chil Sung Chil Rho
8. Hwa Sun 1(demonstrated in volume 2)
9. Hwa Sun 2 (taught to childans recently, and demonstrated in atlantic city by GM himself)
10. Yuk Rho Chodan
11. Yuk Rho Eedan
12. Yuk Rho Samdan
13. Yuk Rho Sadan
14. Yuk Rho Ohdan
15. Yuk Rho Yukdan
16. Ship Dahn Kuhm 1
17. Ship Dahn Kuhm 2
18. Ship Dahn Kuhm 3
19. Ship Dahn Kuhm 4
20. Ship Dahn Kuhm 5
21. Ship Dahn Kuhm 6
22. Ship Dahn Kuhm 7
23. Ship Dahn Kuhm 8
24. Ship Dahn Kuhm 9
25. Ship Dahn Kuhm 10
26. Kicho Il Bu
27. Kicho Ee Bu
28. Kicho Sahm Bu
29. Pyong Ahn Chodan
30. Pyong Ahn Eedan
31. Pyong Ahn Samdan
32. Pyong Ahn Sadan
33. Pyong Ahn Ohdan
34. Bassai Dae
35. Passai So
36. Chin Do
37. Oh Ship Sa Bo
38. Wang Shu
39. Tjin
40. So Rim Jang Kwon
41. Dam Toi
42. Kong San Kun Dae
43. Kong San Kun So
44. Rohaee Chodan
45. Rohaee Eedan
46. Rohaee Samdan
47. Ee Ship Sa
48. Woon Shu
49. Tsan Tjin
50. Jun Jang
51. Ssi San
52. Ssi Boai
53. Bae Rin Bba
54. SsanSsi Bbai
55. Seisan
56. Sojin
57. Sai Hoo Ah
58. Goo Reung Hoo Ah
59. Jin Toi
60. Ji-on
61. Tae Keuk Kwon
62. Nae Bboo Jin Chodan
63. Nae Bboo Jin Eedan
64. Nae Bbo Jin Samdan

“The next volume will be devoted to advanced forms and sparring techniques: Naihanji Eedan, Naihanji Samdan, Sip Soo, Jindo, Kong San Kun, Sei Shan, Wangshu, Jion, O-sip Sa Bo, Tae Keuk Kwon, So Rim Jang Kwon, S-ojin, Sippal, E-sip sa, Woon Shu”


So we can add to the above list of forms

1. Sippal
2. Sip Soo

I also find it interesting that volume two would have started with Naehanji Eedan, and yet Naihanji Chodan was not shown in volume 1....We also know that at one time Hwang Kee was teaching Bassai So, I know this because it was related to Master Penfil by Kwan Jang Nim C.I. Kim, but he stopped teaching it. I think that the statement that GM knew more than 100 forms would have also included his moo pal dan kuhm, and moon pal dahn kuhm exercises.

 

[JT_the_Ninja]

Wow, that's a lot of forms. My KJN, Master C.S. Kim, trained under Hwang Kee, indirectly. I wonder how many of those he learned.

Even so, the curriculum the ITF teaches is pretty full; as has been said, it's fairly difficult to master any given form completely, let alone the 18 I know (15 open-hand + 3 bong hyung). I'm cool with the number of hyung I know, though I'm still itching for 2 years to go by so I can test for sam dan and (provided I pass) learn kong son deh (kong sang kun, by another name), and then later on lo hai.

Then again, I was itching to learn pyong ahn cho dan as a yellow belt testing for orange belt. It's always that process of wanting to know more that keeps you going with martial arts.

 

[exile]

He exile,
I'm surprised no one has bitten this one yet.
Hwang Kee never met, nor trained under Gogen Yamguchi...this is pure fiction, it was spouted off by Len Losik who is less than credible in anything he writes...he even went as far as to trace pictures out of SBD TSD Vol.2 for his book on hyung...
take care,
--josh

Josh, this is interesting... but I didn't get this from Len Losik. My source here is Dakin Burdick, who wrote, in his 1997 Journal of Asian Martial Arts article, `People and events of Taekwondo's formative years', that

`Robert Shipley (1975) believes Hwang "probably studied a hard style of karate similar to Shorin" as well [as guoshu]. This is supported by Hancock (1994), who notes that Hwang claimed Yamaguchi Gogen "as a personal friend". Yamaguchi, nicknamed `The Cat'... was also in Manchuria in 1939, so Hwang could have studied with him at that time: Yamaguchi was a Japanese intelligence officer stationed near the Russian border and Hwang also was near the Russian border....(he has mentioned being at the town of Manchuli). From an examination of his writings, Hwang certainly seems to have been much more influenced by Japanese karatedo than by Japanese guoshu.'

The reference to Hancock is an article `The history of Tang Soo Do' in Inside Tae Kwon Do 3.2, p.17. You'll notice that the name Len Losik doesn't arise at all in this discussion. There is a link to the article here: http://www.usadojo.com/articles/tang-soo-do-forms.htm

Apart from your distrust of Mr. Losik as a source, do you have any concrete evidence that falsifies Burdick's line of reasoning here? When you say that `Hwang Kee never met, nor trained under Gogen Yamguchi...this is pure fiction', I have to ask whether, in view of Hancock's citation to the contrary, there's any reason to believe that Hancock—who is quoting HK in his article about his personal friendship with GY—is also indulging in `pure fiction'?

So far as the role of taekkyon in the formation of any modern KMA is concerned, the article by Steve Capener at

http://www.bluewavetkd.com/images/GoalSheets/capeneressay.pdf

seems to me to give reason enough for the greatest skepticism about any such claims. Taekkyon, hardly a martial art at the best of times (see Stanley Henning's 2000 JAMA article on ancient and modern KMAs for discussion of the persistent confusion of taekkyon with the ancient takkyon `push-the-shoulders', a completely different technical element), was a terminal case by the turn of the 20th century.

 

[Muwubu16858]

06-29-2007 06:12 PMChizikunboIn Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Do Volume 1 Hwang Kee lists the following forms (starting at #26)...I believe he knew all of these forms by one way or another, I dont feel he would have listed them only for purposes of them being listed. After all this was a text about HIS art. If we remember in his 1995 History of the Moo Duk Kwan GM tells us that while working on the railroad in Seoul beginning 1936, he spent most of his time studying the the library, he studied “texts on Japanese Karate” so texts is plural, I believe this would have given GM plenty of forms to learn, because lets say he studied Gichin Funakoshi's 1922 “Ryukyu Kenpo: Karate” he would have learned many forms in detail. Also he was among the other Kwan leaders often and probably learned forms here and there from them, and also by watching demonstrations...Today there are lots of things not taught in the MDK that exist, and lots of things that have been all together dropped...

1. Chil Sung Il Rho
2. Chil Sung Ee Rho
3. Chil Sung Sam Rho
4. Chil Sung Sa Rho
5. Chil Sung Oh Rho
6. Chil Sung Yuk Rho
7. Chil Sung Chil Rho
8. Hwa Sun 1(demonstrated in volume 2)
9. Hwa Sun 2 (taught to childans recently, and demonstrated in atlantic city by GM himself)
10. Yuk Rho Chodan
11. Yuk Rho Eedan
12. Yuk Rho Samdan
13. Yuk Rho Sadan
14. Yuk Rho Ohdan
15. Yuk Rho Yukdan
16. Ship Dahn Kuhm 1
17. Ship Dahn Kuhm 2
18. Ship Dahn Kuhm 3
19. Ship Dahn Kuhm 4
20. Ship Dahn Kuhm 5
21. Ship Dahn Kuhm 6
22. Ship Dahn Kuhm 7
23. Ship Dahn Kuhm 8
24. Ship Dahn Kuhm 9
25. Ship Dahn Kuhm 10
26. Kicho Il Bu
27. Kicho Ee Bu
28. Kicho Sahm Bu
29. Pyong Ahn Chodan
30. Pyong Ahn Eedan
31. Pyong Ahn Samdan
32. Pyong Ahn Sadan
33. Pyong Ahn Ohdan
34. Bassai Dae
35. Passai So
36. Chin Do
37. Oh Ship Sa Bo
38. Wang Shu
39. Tjin
40. So Rim Jang Kwon
41. Dam Toi
42. Kong San Kun Dae
43. Kong San Kun So
44. Rohaee Chodan
45. Rohaee Eedan
46. Rohaee Samdan
47. Ee Ship Sa
48. Woon Shu
49. Tsan Tjin
50. Jun Jang
51. Ssi San
52. Ssi Boai
53. Bae Rin Bba
54. SsanSsi Bbai
55. Seisan
56. Sojin
57. Sai Hoo Ah
58. Goo Reung Hoo Ah
59. Jin Toi
60. Ji-on
61. Tae Keuk Kwon
62. Nae Bboo Jin Chodan
63. Nae Bboo Jin Eedan
64. Nae Bbo Jin Samdan

“The next volume will be devoted to advanced forms and sparring techniques: Naihanji Eedan, Naihanji Samdan, Sip Soo, Jindo, Kong San Kun, Sei Shan, Wangshu, Jion, O-sip Sa Bo, Tae Keuk Kwon, So Rim Jang Kwon, S-ojin, Sippal, E-sip sa, Woon Shu”


So we can add to the above list of forms

1. Sippal
2. Sip Soo

I also find it interesting that volume two would have started with Naehanji Eedan, and yet Naihanji Chodan was not shown in volume 1....We also know that at one time Hwang Kee was teaching Bassai So, I know this because it was related to Master Penfil by Kwan Jang Nim C.I. Kim, but he stopped teaching it. I think that the statement that GM knew more than 100 forms would have also included his moo pal dan kuhm, and moon pal dahn kuhm exercises.06-29-2007 02:27 PM

Let me begin with numbers 1-25 are not in the Soo Bahk Do Dae Gam(1970) so although GM knew them, they were his own. As for Hyung he actually learned, however which way he learned them, be it by person or book....these are what he knew:

1. Kicho Il Bu Tae Geuk Cho Dan Yes
2. Kicho Ee Bu Tae Geuk Ee Dan Yes
3. Kicho Sahm Bu Tae Geuk Sam Dan Yes
4. Pyong Ahn Chodan Pyung Ahn Cho Dan Yes
5. Pyong Ahn Eedan Pyung Ahn Ee Dan Yes
6. Pyong Ahn Samdan Pyung Ahn Sam Dan Yes
7. Pyong Ahn Sadan Pyung Ahn Sa Dan Yes
8. Pyong Ahn Ohdan Pyung Ahn Oh Dan Yes
9. Bassai Dae Pal Chae Dae Yes
10. Passai So Pal Chae So (if same as CS Kim's, then No)
11. Chin Do Jin Dang(Jindo is Okinawan name) Yes
12. Oh Ship Sa Bo Oh Ship Sa Bo Yes
13. Wang Shu Wang Shu Yes
14. Tjin Ja Yoon (Jiin is Okinawan name) No
15. So Rim Jang Kwon So Rim Jang Kwon Yes
16. Dam Toi Dam De Yes
17. Kong San Kun Dae Kong Sang Goon Dae Yes
18. Kong San Kun So Kong Sang Goon So No
19. Rohaee Chodan No Pae Cho Dan(HK learned Matsubayashi Rohai)No
20. Rohaee Eedan No Pae Ee Dan No
21. Rohaee Samdan No Pae Sam Dan No
22. Ee Ship Sa Ee Ship Sa Just Direction
23. Woon Shu Woon Soo Yes
24. Tsan Tjin Sam Jung (Sanchin is Ok. Name) No
25. Jun Jang Jun Jang (Tensho in Karate) No
26. Ssi San Ship Sam (Matsumura style) No
27. Ssi Boai Ship Pal (just direction, not the meaning)
28. Bae Rin Bba (gotta ask on this one again(?Suparinpei?)) No
29. SsanSsi Bbai Sam Ship Pal No
30. Seisan Jung Sam(Itosu Sip Sam) Yes
31. Sojin Jang Jin (Sojin is Ok. name) Maybe Dir.
32. Sai Hoo Ah Chae Pa (Saifa in Jp/Ok) No
33. Goo Reung Hoo Ah Goo Reung Hoo Ah No
34. Jin Toi Ship Soo(Soo Sul is old name) Yes
35. Ji-on Ja Eum (Jion is Jp/Ok name) Yes
36. Tae Keuk Kwon Tai Chi Chuan (Chinese Yang style) Yes
37. Nae Bboo Jin Chodan Nei Bo Jin(Nai Han Ji) Cho Dan Yes
38. Nae Bboo Jin Eedan NBJ Ee Dan Yes
39. Nae Bbo Jin Samdan NBJ Sam Dan Yes

with that heres the list:

Tae Geuk 1-3
Pyung Ahn 1-5
Bassai Dae-So
Jindo
Oh Ship Sa Bo
Wang Shu
So Rim Jang Kwon
Dam De
Kong Sang Goon Dae
Rohai (Matsubayashi Ryu)
Woon Soo
Sei Shan (Matsumura style)
Ship Soo
Jion
Tai Chi Chuan
Naihanji 1-3

and the direction without meaning of Ship Pal, Ee Ship Sa and Sojin.

the original number is 25, with 3 he wasn't sure about.

remember, he learned in china, so any Jp/Ok forms he learned weren't quite the same for his as those who studied in Japan, hence the push he made to create his own(Chil Sung, Yuk Ro, etc.), which are more CHinese influenced.