http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/08/10354068-nuns-fight-strip-club-near-ill-convent
But I really should bite my tongue.
But I really should bite my tongue.
There are so many things to be said....
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One unfortunate fact of strip clubs is that they bring crime into the neighborhoods where they are present.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/09/30/man-shot-to-death-outside-detroit-strip-club/
http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...ltercation-leaves-one-dead-two-injured/videos
Strip clubs have been shown to be linked to organized crime in some cases (Chicago? Gee, I wonder). In Detroit, girls as young as 14 have been caught working in the clubs as strippers, and some moonlight as prostitutes.
In addition, many strippers are actually kept as slaves, after being illegally brought into the country.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2012-01-22-us-human-trafficking_N.htm
So yeah, I can see why a convent would have a problem with a strip club next door to them.
Twin Fist
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i worked in strip clubs for 10 years
i know pretty much everything there is to know about the business.
the cases where the dancers are essentially slaves? you can tell those, because teh dancers are all from the same country. All chinese? prob next thing to slave labor
some dancers turn tricks, they are the minority by far
but it does happen.
most dancers are just someone's sister
i know pretty much everything there is to know about the business.
the cases where the dancers are essentially slaves? you can tell those, because teh dancers are all from the same country. All chinese? prob next thing to slave labor
some dancers turn tricks, they are the minority by far
but it does happen.
most dancers are just someone's sister
In New Jersey, mostly Russians.
It's not really the dancers that are the problem. The problem is that strip clubs attract people who deal drugs, fight, and shoot each other. Residents in neighborhoods where there are strip clubs have to put up with having their cars broken into, lawns defecated and urinated on, finding used needles and passed-out patrons in their hedges, having their friends and family shot at by passing gang-members passing the 'message' to residents to stay indoors.
People don't like having strip clubs in their neighborhoods for good reason; they damage the neighborhood, bring in a violent criminal element, and destroy home prices.
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
i have heard the east coast had a lot of human trafficing going on.
some of the clubs in dallas are high dollar establishments where business men work on million dollar deals.
in general tho, i agree with you.
some of the clubs in dallas are high dollar establishments where business men work on million dollar deals.
in general tho, i agree with you.
I haven't heard too much about human trafficing or under age stuff, however, there have been fights, shootings, and things of that nature, at some of the clubs in CT. The clubs that I know of aren't in residential areas, however there was a big issue over a adult store that was opening in a residential area. I believe it did end up opening.
Like Bill said, I can see why the convent is having an issue with this....but then again, I wonder if they'd have an issue with it, if it were to open, just not next door to them.
Like Bill said, I can see why the convent is having an issue with this....but then again, I wonder if they'd have an issue with it, if it were to open, just not next door to them.
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
i think you know the answer to that
You have to be immersed in the Catholic world to understand the context here. I can't speak for this convent, but I have a pretty good idea.
My bet is that this convent is in a neighborhood that is run-down and formerly a 'good' neighborhood. There aren't many convents left in the US anymore, and many of them are more-or-less retirement homes now for the nuns; there simply aren't that many nuns left. The cloistered life is not something many feel a Call towards anymore.
Would the nuns complain about the strip club if it were to open somewhere else? I'll take a guess and say no. Not that Catholics aren't against strip clubs as being immoral, but in general, they have no energy for this kind of thing; and they live in a secular world in which strip clubs are legal and desired. Typically, nuns in America don't go looking for trouble. They're older, they're tired, and they just want to be left alone. Having elderly nuns tottering up and down the same streets as needle freaks is a bad idea; and the nuns can't move. They own the property and it's been paid for for decades; it's run down and they can hardly afford the upkeep. They could in no way afford to sell and move. They're stuck and just want to be left alone. That's my guess.
LOL...well, yeah...I was just trying to do some wishful thinking..lol
And to think that I was raised Catholic, and used to go to church weekly....lol. Seriously though...I'm certainly not immersed. You're probably right, however, I'd be willing to bet that if you took a poll, chances are they'd wish that places like that never existed.
Oh, no doubt. I just don't see much in the way of activist nuns in the US anymore. Perhaps they exist. But really, when was the last time you even saw a nun, and if you did, one who was under 65 years old?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/suburban-nuns-oppose-plan_n_1263073.html?ref=chicago
Take a look for yourself...
And about the neighborhood...
But seriously, it sounds as if you're suggesting that since the nuns would be against strip clubs on general principles anyway, they should have to deal with it next door to them. I'm not sure where this 'they deserve whatever they get' attitude towards Catholics is coming from lately. Am I imagining that from you?
If they were building their strip club next door to my house, I would not like it either. Would you?
As to being immersed, there is Catholic and there is Catholic. I'm a member of the Knights of Columbus. I carry Rosary beads and pray the Rosary. I'm married to a woman whose uncle is a priest and was president of the biggest Catholic university in the nation for nearly 30 years, and former editor of the largest Catholic magazine. They don't get much more Catholic than me. Like it or not, I'm 'plugged in' to Catholic culture. Not saying it to brag (it's not that important anyway), just by way of saying I'm kind of aware of the state of the Catholic church these days.
Nope, all the ones that I've seen, are definately not under 65.
Actually Bill, I think you are imagining that, and I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that you think. I'm sure they're not happy with this, and I can understand why. However, given the fact that some people view porn and places like this as a bad thing, I doubt any nun or highly religious person, would shed a tear if every porn studio closed up tomorrow. I'm sure they don't (at least I dont think so) frown upon sex, but they do frown upon it with the way its displayed in movies and strip clubs.
Like I said, the majority of the clubs in CT are not in residential districts.
I agree with you; I'm sure they do frown on it, and if they were young and spry, they'd no doubt be out picketing or something. But I'm not sure why that matters. No matter what their personal view of pornography might be, they still are perfectly right to be concerned with having a strip club next door to them. So what's the point here? That's where I was getting the notion that their personal beliefs about porn had some bearing on what they should have to put up with next door to them.
It's like cheering when a mean old man gets mugged. Yeah, he's a mean old man and nobody likes him. So that means he should get mugged? Same kind of feeling I was getting. Sorry if I misunderstood your point.
Well, I"m sure there're younger members of the church that do/have protested adult clubs/shops. And again, they have every right to be upset. I'd be willing to bet there were numerous other areas away from this spot, to build this club. I don't want to say its a matter of poor choice, but more a matter of the owner(s) just not giving a crap.
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granfire
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Well, I bothered to look at the satellite image, I think I got the right location from the description.
However, I could not figure where the club was supposed to go, 2 feet from the property line.
Unless they have bought the buildings next to the ball field, or the ball field...
The club itself does not seem to be the problem, as one is already open in the neighborhood.
However, I could not figure where the club was supposed to go, 2 feet from the property line.
Unless they have bought the buildings next to the ball field, or the ball field...
The club itself does not seem to be the problem, as one is already open in the neighborhood.
I truly do not understand this attitude. If it was your house, I doubt you'd want a strip club - or more specifically the crime that comes with a strip club - next door to you. Apparently it's OK since a) the neighborhood has already gone to hell and b) nuns are Catholic, Catholics don't like strip clubs, therefore they have it coming.
Eh, whatever. I'm done with this thread too.
Eh, whatever. I'm done with this thread too.
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granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
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Ah, yes, accusing me of being hostile to wards the old girls, eh.
Alas...
I think i do have to post the thoughts that did pop into my head anyhow.
Aside the fact that I actually looked at the satellite and tried to figure out how you can build a facility 2 feet next to a property that is surrounded on 3 sides by streets and backed by a softball field. Again, I am assuming I got the right view. I might have been in the totally wrong state.
However...
yes I do agree it's not very respectful:
A) they can view the club as recruitment center for future sisters
B) the church does require convents to contribute to their upkeep. Some breed dogs, others miniature horses...hey, maybe the ladies can pick up dancing.
(yes, that is disrespectful, I know) it has nothing to do with the faith of the Sisters, really, but the oddity of the headline (and again I consider the article not well written, plus the somewhat out of context 'there is another club down the street' last line of it)
So chill Bill. I am a jerk sometimes, but not all the times.
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Didn't pick the best place for a strip club did he....
