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Bruce lee said that it was not the mixing of the arts but the use of them that had something that works. For me I think that to train in alot of different arts will to that but it will take alot more time.
 
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Is MMA mixed everything or just methods because once through the MA art process a kick becomes a kick agian and so with the punch.
 

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Is MMA mixed everything or just methods because once through the MA art process a kick becomes a kick agian and so with the punch.

I'm not sure, but I think what he's trying to ask is....
is MMA just a jumble of different martial art styles blending together.
Or is it just more of a concept, of using what works. Like taking what is useful from say....muay thai, bjj, tkd, and so on...and disreguarding the rest(as in taking what is usful and disreguarding what is not) like in JKD.

Or, does MMA train indepth in each style in which it's mixed with as to where they could actually learn each style indepth and master them also rather than just using the concepts and various methods and techniques from the various styles.

Or something along those lines???

All in all, I think he's trying to compare and contrast the differences in and between mma and jkd
 

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I have to agree with you there Thunder Foot. It all depends on what the practicioner is looking for within the art he is training in, and different schools teach different aspects or have different approaches towards teaching mma.
 

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Or, does MMA train indepth in each style in which it's mixed with as to where they could actually learn each style indepth and master them also rather than just using the concepts and various methods and techniques from the various styles.

You can only go so much in depth: if they spend 10 years on only a couple of arts, they end up too old to compete.

And NHB contests are definately a young man's game, IMO. Us old men take too long to recover from injuries.
 

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1st Generation - MMA started as throwing a bunch of people from all sorts of styles in a ring and seeing which ones worked. Arts that proved themself the most where BJJ / SUbmission grappling, Boxing / Muay Thai and Wrestling. So everyone competing and doing well already had a strong background in one, if not more of these systems.

2nd Generation - So they began to get a handle on other the basics of others, so wrestlers learnt basic boxing and submission, submission guys learnt to strike, strikers learnt to wrestle etc.

3rd generation - Things like Militech systems and other full MMA schools come up. Guys are training not in a bunch of things, but rather training in MMA, learning it all in one class, putting it together right from the begining.

That is MMA now. There is a distinct MMA style. Now within that people will just work boxing, or just wrestling. Posibly going to different specialists to really get those skills. But MMA is a style of fighting all of its own.

It is also not a young mans sport anymore then any other sport is. Anyone can train, anyone can learn it. However like any other sport you're not going to be competing that hard in your 50's and 60's. Same goes for all martial arts, and pretty much all sports.
 
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You all have seem to come to the understanding of what I was saying! But I still don't understand how MMA can become its own without a central method at hand.:asian:
 

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There is a central method at hand. Just ignore the name "Mixed Martial Arts" and it becomes much more visible.
 

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You all have seem to come to the understanding of what I was saying! But I still don't understand how MMA can become its own without a central method at hand.:asian:

Andrew is correct. The synergistic model of training for combat in all ranges (MMA) is distinctly different from training multiple, seperate arts like TKD + judo. You can do striking and grappling seperately, and have a hard time mixing them together. Better to use the MMA model from the beginning, IMHO. Better results faster.
 

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Better results faster.

Hmm: that's an opinion.

I see a lot professional level MMA athletes making fundamental mistakes in their striking (like taking eyes off opponent while swinging, for example, or losing their balance while wildly swinging, for another) because they only have a couple of months in instead of a several years.
 

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There is a central method at hand. Just ignore the name "Mixed Martial Arts" and it becomes much more visible.

Like JKD, MMA is both a sort of philosophy and an art - but unlike JKD as we know it today, in MMA it is more the art first and the philosophy second, that is, we have a good idea of what does and doesn't work and to what extent and personal variation is not nearly as great. Like JKD, MMA has its own philosophy - it isn't just a mix of the goals of various arts and most fighters do go in with a cohesive strategy.
 

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Hmm: that's an opinion.

I see a lot professional level MMA athletes making fundamental mistakes in their striking (like taking eyes off opponent while swinging, for example, or losing their balance while wildly swinging, for another) because they only have a couple of months in instead of a several years.

Hmmm...not sure I understand your point. I did not say they would be experts in a few months. Beginners are beginners in every style, and MMA takes time to get good with, like anything else. I do feel that you can get better results quicker by integrating multiple combat ranges from the beginning, however. Especially compared to taking different styles and trying to make them work together.

*IMPORTANT CAVEAT*

MattJ is not a MMA guy. I do AKK and BJJ. So....uh....do what I say, not what I do! LOL :uhyeah:
 

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Hmmm...not sure I understand your point. I did not say they would be experts in a few months. Beginners are beginners in every style, and MMA takes time to get good with, like anything else. I do feel that you can get better results quicker by integrating multiple combat ranges from the beginning, however. Especially compared to taking different styles and trying to make them work together.

*IMPORTANT CAVEAT*

MattJ is not a MMA guy. I do AKK and BJJ. So....uh....do what I say, not what I do! LOL :uhyeah:

AKK? Whats that stand for? So many acronyms, so little time...
 

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Hmmm...not sure I understand your point. I did not say they would be experts in a few months. Beginners are beginners in every style, and MMA takes time to get good with, like anything else. I do feel that you can get better results quicker by integrating multiple combat ranges from the beginning, however. Especially compared to taking different styles and trying to make them work together.

Er.. let me try an analogy. If you are digging, you can only move the shovel so fast.

Assume you are spending the same amount of time each week digging.

You can start by digging a really deep hole, or you can dig a long narrow trench.

But if your ultimate goal is a really deep, wide trench, which is "better": digging a short, deep trench you eventually lengthen, or digging a shallow long trench that you eventually deepen?
 

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Er.. let me try an analogy. If you are digging, you can only move the shovel so fast.

Assume you are spending the same amount of time each week digging.

You can start by digging a really deep hole, or you can dig a long narrow trench.

But if your ultimate goal is a really deep, wide trench, which is "better": digging a short, deep trench you eventually lengthen, or digging a shallow long trench that you eventually deepen?

Well, when they dug trenches in the first world war, they said to create the full lenght line of the trench first, and then worry about the depth. I perfer that mindset myself.
 
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