Street guys. Please give direct technical answers.

I hear you, I don’t mean that martial arts skills aren’t useful. I don’t mean that mma is ineffective in any way. I am saying that sport/ring competition fighting bears very little resemblance to the dynamics involved in most street confrontations in my experience, and in my opinion as a result of that experience. It’s certainly relatable, but not comparable, in my opinion. Your mileage may vary depending on “your streets, your experiences, your perspective”.
But you could address that by giving direct technical answers.

Old mate in the video could have said he incorporates more blocking because they address weapons more, and obviously a knife will just chop through you if you cover.

But then you would have to change your defensive game because blocking takes more time and space. You have to force the guy to over extend.
 
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I'm not sure I'm entirely in favour of weapons training as an add-on to an existing empty hand practice. If weapons training involves alive drills that encourage an awareness of the possibilities of the weapon, that's one thing- but the compliant drills we used to do- every so often- usually involving some sort of kata application don't do any of that. All those drills did was to foster a false sense of confidence that could be very dangerous.
 
I'm not sure I'm entirely in favour of weapons training ... All those drills did was to foster a false sense of confidence that could be very dangerous.
If you train this "Miao Diao technique 101 - comb hair and hit back" move 10,000 times with your training partner, when your opponent strikes a stick toward your head, if you also have a stick, your chance of handling that situation will be to your advantage.

It makes a big difference whether you know how to use your weapon or not. After you have chopped down 1000 branches in the wood, next time the chance to chop off your opponent's arm will be high.


 
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I'm not sure I'm entirely in favour of weapons training as an add-on to an existing empty hand practice. If weapons training involves alive drills that encourage an awareness of the possibilities of the weapon, that's one thing- but the compliant drills we used to do- every so often- usually involving some sort of kata application don't do any of that. All those drills did was to foster a false sense of confidence that could be very dangerous.
That is kind of a lot of weapons training though.

A lot of it is nothing like someone trying to take your head off.
 
I'm not sure I'm entirely in favour of weapons training as an add-on to an existing empty hand practice. If weapons training involves alive drills that encourage an awareness of the possibilities of the weapon, that's one thing- but the compliant drills we used to do- every so often- usually involving some sort of kata application don't do any of that. All those drills did was to foster a false sense of confidence that could be very dangerous.

Weapon based systems (Systems that start with a weapon first) have ways of teaching it and showing it in singles and in box drills.
Note: The purpose of Box drills is not to go faster that everyone else, it is to break out of the box and do something random and then when you are lost go back to the box strikes and blocks.

Weapons training can be done in sequence for body and footwork. Those techniques might work against an untrained opponent.
Yet they do show how to create space and how to move the body.

Takes those lessons and apply them to the more advanced techniques which includes slips et al.
Blocking force to force works if you are there on time.
It you are early it gives the trained opponent a chance to move around it . Just like empty hands.
If one is late then they might still get the block Jsut not have optimal responses. And with weapons one learns deflection blocks.
The on time works well with force to force or deflection and it allows one to counter.

Learning to slip a stick makes hands easier (In my experience)

It also trains that two hands are always moving at the same time.
Sometimes in the beginning it can look like one and then two.
Yet it is more like one (1) and one point two-five (1.25) or or even quicker.
Some think 1 and 1 is best. With certain two handed blocks against a two handed strike it is required. Yet the off hand or non weapon hand starts to beat the weapon block and then the non weapon hand gets hit.

In JKD the Hubud four strike drill (Which I absolutely hate / dislike ) Forces the first to be a hard cross block(1) and then go into a pass(2), trap(3), and attack(4).
To me this trains poor habits.
Yes the four count has a valid place. Stop and reset and then do it over. So it always starts with your hands down.
Why, because a soon as one understands the three or two or one move counters this four point seems ridiculously slow.
It also forces the person the build reps with it.
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Blocking is slower.
It requires structure.

Structure requires body work, including footwork. Advanced people may not use as much footwork as their ankles, knees and hips are allowing them to lean and moving them more as the step may require more time to execute.
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I see your point where a system that adds on a weapon or two after black belt seems to have the issues you mentioned. Yet weapon training is not bad, if approached from the beginning. So pick up the weapon not as a black belt of the system. pick it up as a white belt of the weapon and study it and train with people who are experts with that weapon.
 
But you could address that by giving direct technical answers.

Old mate in the video could have said he incorporates more blocking because they address weapons more, and obviously a knife will just chop through you if you cover.

But then you would have to change your defensive game because blocking takes more time and space. You have to force the guy to over extend.
Ok then, two different scenarios as examples. A guy who brandishes a knife vs a guy that conceals a knife in his hand are two very different opponents. Sometimes people don’t even know they have been stabbed in initial contact. A guy who brandishes is still quite dangerous but less so because you know he is armed, and he is less confident in his ability to force his will on a victim. A guy who conceals the knife in his hand and is aggressive plans to employ the knife rather than threaten with it. My buddy Mambo was stabbed 11 times in front of me by three guys we kicked out of a club the weekend before. Mambo is quite large and strong, the ambulances took the three stabbers to hospital and Mambo rode a taxi. Mambos most serious injury was to his right hand where he grabbed the knife and it severed the tendons. He recovered after a couple of major hand surgeries. I don’t know the ultimate fate of the three stabbers but two of them were badly beaten and unconscious and the third had his arm broken in several places and shoulder completely dislocated. These three approached and brandished the knives so Mambo knew what was happening, if they had surprised him he might have died. I just don’t know how prepared one can be for events like this. I mentioned it before, there used to be a group of guys that would sic their dogs on people and then rob the victim in the process of removing the dogs. They would take the shoes and sometimes the pants from victims as well. If you lived around there, you knew to avoid guys walking dogs from a distance. A stranger would never see it coming. Near my friend Gilbert’s house I had to park and call him from the chicken restaurant on the main street so he could walk me over to his house so that I wouldn’t get carjacked or robbed by the gangsters in his neighborhood. If you just unknowingly drove into that area you would be lucky to get out unscathed. More examples than you need to get the point I guess, but that’s why I think about this topic the way I do. No amount of fight training would get a person out of these situations. In fact, bucking up and resisting would very easily end up with a very bad outcome. If you don’t live there you couldn’t possibly recognize the danger until far too late. Predators like these will spot an outsider in a hot second and immediately start targeting. When lions start watching a prey item, other lesser predators notice that and get interested in the scraps that will inevitably be left behind. It’s never fair, and no one will help a prey item in the clutches of lions, golden or otherwise.
 
I always carry one of those concealed on me when I go to the supermarket, just in case. 😁
It's good idea to carry 2 Baoding balls when you walk. You can throw it at someone. You can also hold in your hands to make strong fists. I believe it's 100% legal.

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Someone hit his car out front of his gym, he ran out to catch them to get info, they shot him in the street and he died. Alex was a superb martial artist. Alex would have crushed this POS that killed him if it were a ring fight, or a competition.
Being shot or stabbed doesn't necessarily mean it was a lack of training, sometimes the odds are stacked too high against us.
I've no problem with any of that, I'm just a bit dubious of people who think doing one or two drills once in a blue moon makes them knife fighters.
That was an issue with some of the FMA groups I've trained with. Weapon sparring was usually the difference between those who could/couldn't apply drill-based skills under pressure.
My buddy Mambo was stabbed 11 times in front of me by three guys we kicked out of a club the weekend before. Mambo is quite large and strong, the ambulances took the three stabbers to hospital and Mambo rode a taxi. Mambos most serious injury was to his right hand where he grabbed the knife and it severed the tendons. He recovered after a couple of major hand surgeries. I don’t know the ultimate fate of the three stabbers but two of them were badly beaten and unconscious and the third had his arm broken in several places and shoulder completely dislocated.
Who inflicted the injuries on the three attackers and with what? Weapons? Fists?
 
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And the many, many pics online of MMA guys with knife wounds and bullet holes in them after they decided to "teach someone a lesson"
In your scenario, the situation was exacerbated because of lack of impulse control, not him being trained in MMA. If we include these scenarios, we should also include the countless videos of trained fighters neutralizing(ko, submitting, choking out, etc) threats on the streets as well.
 
Ok then, two different scenarios as examples. A guy who brandishes a knife vs a guy that conceals a knife in his hand are two very different opponents. Sometimes people don’t even know they have been stabbed in initial contact. A guy who brandishes is still quite dangerous but less so because you know he is armed, and he is less confident in his ability to force his will on a victim. A guy who conceals the knife in his hand and is aggressive plans to employ the knife rather than threaten with it. My buddy Mambo was stabbed 11 times in front of me by three guys we kicked out of a club the weekend before. Mambo is quite large and strong, the ambulances took the three stabbers to hospital and Mambo rode a taxi. Mambos most serious injury was to his right hand where he grabbed the knife and it severed the tendons. He recovered after a couple of major hand surgeries. I don’t know the ultimate fate of the three stabbers but two of them were badly beaten and unconscious and the third had his arm broken in several places and shoulder completely dislocated. These three approached and brandished the knives so Mambo knew what was happening, if they had surprised him he might have died. I just don’t know how prepared one can be for events like this. I mentioned it before, there used to be a group of guys that would sic their dogs on people and then rob the victim in the process of removing the dogs. They would take the shoes and sometimes the pants from victims as well. If you lived around there, you knew to avoid guys walking dogs from a distance. A stranger would never see it coming. Near my friend Gilbert’s house I had to park and call him from the chicken restaurant on the main street so he could walk me over to his house so that I wouldn’t get carjacked or robbed by the gangsters in his neighborhood. If you just unknowingly drove into that area you would be lucky to get out unscathed. More examples than you need to get the point I guess, but that’s why I think about this topic the way I do. No amount of fight training would get a person out of these situations. In fact, bucking up and resisting would very easily end up with a very bad outcome. If you don’t live there you couldn’t possibly recognize the danger until far too late. Predators like these will spot an outsider in a hot second and immediately start targeting. When lions start watching a prey item, other lesser predators notice that and get interested in the scraps that will inevitably be left behind. It’s never fair, and no one will help a prey item in the clutches of lions, golden or otherwise.
No amount of old mates krav maga would give that specific knowledge either.

So him saying "the street" still doesn't help him here.

(Side note. If there was a kickboxing gym in that area. And the people who did that lived there. They would have access to this specific cultural knowledge.

There is this assumption that self defence schools have a monopoly on real world experience Because they sell that.

And they don't)
 
Being shot or stabbed doesn't necessarily mean it was a lack of training, sometimes the odds are stacked too high against us.

That was an issue with some of the FMA groups I've trained with. Weapon sparring was usually the difference between those who could/couldn't apply drill-based skills under pressure.

Who inflicted the injuries on the three attackers and with what? Weapons? Fists?
I think you miss my point. As to the three stabbers, Mambo inflicted all the injuries. Mambo is an extraordinary human. He had a massive physique with incredible strength. His enormous size is the reason they weren’t able to kill him with average sized folding knives. I should mention that he had been shot 3 times previously, burned badly over a third of his body in an electrical accident, and suffered bilateral femoral fractures from a very long fall. He is a somewhat famous personage amongst the old school punk rock crowd. He often went barefoot while bouncing because shoes rarely fit correctly.
 
In your scenario, the situation was exacerbated because of lack of impulse control, not him being trained in MMA. If we include these scenarios, we should also include the countless videos of trained fighters neutralizing(ko, submitting, choking out, etc) threats on the streets as well.
Go ahead and roll the dice on that one.
 
No amount of old mates krav maga would give that specific knowledge either.

So him saying "the street" still doesn't help him here.

(Side note. If there was a kickboxing gym in that area. And the people who did that lived there. They would have access to this specific cultural knowledge.

There is this assumption that self defence schools have a monopoly on real world experience Because they sell that.

And they don't)
I’m saying no self defense school and no kickboxing gym and krav maga or magical voodoo, will prepare a person for that. Let me be perfectly clear. I’m not on any side, I simply don’t believe in the premise of a comparison. I could tell you about the dangers but until you are in that situation no one knows what happens. Maybe you punch, kick, grapple your way out of being attacked by three pit bulls and then subsequently robbed by the owners, but I doubt it. I have watched it happen, you can’t unsee it.
 
No amount of old mates krav maga would give that specific knowledge either.

So him saying "the street" still doesn't help him here.

(Side note. If there was a kickboxing gym in that area. And the people who did that lived there. They would have access to this specific cultural knowledge.

There is this assumption that self defence schools have a monopoly on real world experience Because they sell that.

And they don't)
I would say that anyone selling “self defense” particularly for “street” is in general going to be completely full of pucky,and good for fuckall.
 

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