No no, Jean Claude Van Damme in Kickboxer
Oh, thats worse. Swayze can dance.
sparring help needed
- Thread starter CuongNhuka
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Oh, thats worse. Swayze can dance.
Thats true, we don't know what type of sparring it is. One thing that I'm confused about is that the OP stated that things were working for him, so I'm not sure exactly what it is that he's looking for. I can see perhaps dancing helping with coordination, balance, etc., but I'm getting the impression that the OP was talking about doing the footwork patterns of Salsa dancing, the tango, or any other dance out there and using it while sparring. Is it possible to have proper footwork, body position, etc., when throwing punches, using those moves? I don't know, as I do not use them.
Mike
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CuongNhuka
Senior Master
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- #23
Ok we're getting it. Allow me to explain now that I've calmed down, and we're getting my point.
One time (a while ago) I was reading about Mantis Kung Fu. One of the substyles I found was Jade Ring. Which uses a lot of bizzare footwork to distract/dazzle opponents as well create/get to openings to allow for attacks. It didn't really give much more, and having no real discriptions of Mantis foot work, I went with what I had. Cuong Nhu does more foot work then some styles, but nothing really along the lines of what was described. So I put it in the back of my mind.
Anouther time I was reading about Bruce Lee. He did Jazz to work on his foot work. And was reputed to have danced before a fight. I thought, well why not? I got a book on Latin and Ballroom dancing. I went through and played with some of what they had. After I could do most of it from memory I modifyed it to make it more Karate-esc. I put in strikes/combos. It flowed pretty easily. I tried it out a few times, and it works amazingly well, for me.
And the sparring is Karate style, but no points. It's just 2 minutes of continous with some grappling allowed.
See what I'm saying?
(oh and can who ever gave me negitive reputation grow up and SIGN YOUR NAME! I mean really, if you honestly think I'm so wrong and you're so right, what's so hard about admitting who you are?)
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CuongNhuka
Senior Master
Like I said, if you're finding something thats working for you, thats great. I think it was a bit confusing, because you came here, asking for assistance, but then said you found something that was working. See what I mean? For myself, I want to allow myself the best footwork that'll give me good mobility, and allow me to throw strikes from a solid base. The more fancy or detailed things are, the greater the chance for error. Keep it simple.
If you're having problems with rep, feel free to contact an Admin. to look into things for you, rather than discussing rep issues in the threads.
Mike
"karate-esque"
If you are going to mangle 3 languages at a time, please do it properly
It sounds to me like you are wasting alot of energy with all the dancing and jump-kicking, that's why you gas so quickly. Focus on the basic footwork of your style and make it work. From your orig post it sound slike you are trying to add lots of things to your style. Why? Is it not good enough on its own?
If you are going to mangle 3 languages at a time, please do it properly
It sounds to me like you are wasting alot of energy with all the dancing and jump-kicking, that's why you gas so quickly. Focus on the basic footwork of your style and make it work. From your orig post it sound slike you are trying to add lots of things to your style. Why? Is it not good enough on its own?
Heavyweight, I can't think of one. But Genki Sudo liked to do the Robot in the MMA ring, 'course he was a nut.
Lamont
A friend of mine fought Genki Sudo in London a couple of years back, cerainly neither of them danced while fighting! I can't imagine doing dance steps in a MMA fight I must admit still it could be interesting.
bushidomartialarts
Senior Master
One could argue that both competitors are dancing the entire time they're in the ring. Rythm, specific sequences of motion keyed to specific input, an almost preternatural awareness of your partner's intent and motion....
sounds like dancing to me. There's a reason they call Judo the 'Savage Ballet', after all.
sounds like dancing to me. There's a reason they call Judo the 'Savage Ballet', after all.
Well, maybe, but I think Genki just likes to dance.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2247020872310590706
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2247020872310590706
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CuongNhuka
Senior Master
Of course they may have not realised you have to add your name to it as it's not done automatically?
If you could post up a clip ( like Utube etc) of you sparring we would all know exactly what is it we are talking about!
Shotgun Buddha
Brown Belt
To be honest, it sounds like you're relying on your opponent not knowing or being able to follow what you're doing, rather than developing your actual fighting abilities. I understand you're trying to develop the tactic of disorientating the opponent, but unless you can back that up with straightforward fighting ability, its not a good idea, as it relies too much on the opponents lack of ability, rather than your own skills.
If you want to develop that type of tactic, look to boxing. It remains one of best examples for using footwork tactically.
If you want to develop that type of tactic, look to boxing. It remains one of best examples for using footwork tactically.
Adept
Master Black Belt
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CuongNhuka
Senior Master
- Thread Starter
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Yah but I lost a bit of reputation, so I'm guessing this guy has been around for awhile.
And as for Utube, that would require me posting my ugly face all over the web. Maybe I should look into that. My sensei has been threatening to tape me sparring and make me watch a few times. Mostly so I see what it is I'm doing, so I can fix it.
This is a very good idea!! I've done this a few times myself. Great reference tool, because the camera doesn't lie.
Mike
LOL! That or keep them sort of like a before and after session, with the hopes that over time, getting better will happen.
Mike
