Recent Guantanammo Bay Report

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You know guys I was in Haiti in '94. I am very familiar with Gitmo. I just don't know how to react upon reading this after serving in the Marine Corps...... The 'Bad Guy' is a whole new element that my group never had to deal with.



CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - Guards at Guantanamo Bay bragged about beating detainees and described it as common practice, a Marine sergeant said in a sworn statement obtained by The Associated Press.

The two-page statement was sent Wednesday to the Inspector General at the Department of Defense by a high-ranking Marine Corps defense lawyer.
The lawyer sent the statement on behalf of a paralegal who said men she met on Sept. 23 at a bar on the base identified themselves to her as guards. The woman, whose name was blacked out, said she spent about an hour talking with them. No one was in uniform, she said.
A 19-year-old Sailor referred to only as Bo "told the other guards and me about him beating different detainees being held in the prison," the statement said.
"One such story Bo told involved him taking a detainee by the head and hitting the detainee's head into the cell door. Bo said that his actions were known by others," the statement said. The Sailor said he was never punished.
The statement was provided to the AP on Thursday night by Lt. Col. Colby Vokey. He is the Marine Corps' defense coordinator for the western United States and based at Camp Pendleton.
Calls left for representatives at Guantanamo Bay on Friday were not immediately returned. A Pentagon spokesman declined immediate comment.
Other guards "also told their own stories of abuse towards the detainees" that included hitting them, denying them water and "removing privileges for no reason."
"About 5 others in the group admitted hitting detainees" and that included "punching in the face," the affidavit said.
"From the whole conversation, I understood that striking detainees was a common practice," the sergeant wrote. "Everyone in the group laughed at the others stories of beating detainees."
Vokey called for an investigation, saying the abuse alleged in the affidavit "is offensive and violates United States and international law."
Guantanamo was internationally condemned shortly after it opened more than four years ago when pictures captured prisoners kneeling, shackled and being herded into wire cages. That was followed by reports of prisoner abuse, heavy-handed interrogations, hunger strikes and suicides.
Military investigators said in July 2005 they confirmed abusive and degrading treatment of a suspected terrorist at Guantanamo Bay that included forcing him to wear a bra, dance with another man and behave like a dog.
However, the chief investigator, Air Force Lt. Gen. Randall M. Schmidt, said "no torture occurred" during the interrogation of Mohamed al-Qahtani, a Saudi who was captured in December 2001 along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
Last month, U.N. human rights investigators criticized the United States for failing to take steps to close Guantanamo Bay, home to 450 detainees, including 14 terrorist suspects who had been kept in secret CIA prisons around the world.
Described as the most dangerous of America's "war on terror" prisoners, fewer than a dozen inmates have been charged with crimes. This fall, the Navy plans to open a new, $30-million maximum-security wing at its prison complex there, a concrete-and-steel structure replacing temporary camps.
 

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Dehumanization. It is the first step of any war.

The living organisms being detained by the United States Military in Guantanamo Bay are not human beings. They have no soul. They can not be redeemed. The exist only to inflict terror on the good and upright people of the United States. Because those detained are not 'human' - they are 'terrorists' - how we treat them is irrelevant; so long as they are not able to perpetrate their acts of unspeakable horror on our God Fearing Nation.

That is the narrative we have been working under, isn't it?
 
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I agree that those who do or would do unspeakable acts towards others should have no consideration, when we were taking haitians or liberians we had to be hardcore on them. However, reading of some of these acts it would seem that we weren't as hardcore as we thought.

Either that or we still showed a margin of consideration.
 

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I agree that those who do or would do unspeakable acts towards others should have no consideration, when we were taking haitians or liberians we had to be hardcore on them. However, reading of some of these acts it would seem that we weren't as hardcore as we thought.

Either that or we still showed a margin of consideration.

You misunderstand the level of extreme sarcasm I intended to display in that post.

I strongly disagree with the sentiment in your first sentence. Any people that the United States chooses to detain should be treated with quite a bit of considertation. They should be properly housed, and fed. They should be dealt with with great respect. Going "hardcore" on someone in custody serves no purpose and is disgusting to me.

How we detain those who would do us harm tells us more about us than it tells us about them.

I'm better than that. My country is better than that. So, kindly, don't take those "hardcore" actions in my name. Describe them for what they are; bullies with guns.
 

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Remember though, that the current head of Gitmo does not consider anything that they are currently doing to be torture, and has no problem if it were to be inflicted on captured American troops.
 
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What I meant by hardcore consisted of a lot of yelling, never the naked parade or anything of that level. Dry cells and food was always warm. I mean we would stress them out like a D.I. would a recruit verbally, nothing more.

However, the bad guy of my day didn't have a chop peoples heads off club. The enemy the troops are facing now are at a whole new level than the Haitian, Serbs, Liberians, and Tunsians I had to deal with.
 

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The enemy the troops are facing now in Guantanamo Bay are prisoners. The United States military is in control of when the eat, when they sleep, when the ****, when the pray. Those being detained can not move outside a locked cell without the say so of the United States military. We control every aspect of their physical lives.

How we exercise that control tells us absolutely nothing about the prisoner. It speaks only to our own image.

It does not matter if, when a detained person was returned to his home country, if he would take actions against the United States, our military, or our allies. While this person is completely and totally under our control, how he is treated is a reflection upon us, not upon him (or them).

In order to maintain a measure of sanity among the guards, it is essential that those with power do not view those over whom they exercise power as equals. For to recognize in ourselves we are treating ourselves as beasts is a sure way to shell shock, combat fatigue, or Post traumatic stress disorder.

Which brings us back the all important part of 'Dehumanization'. Our guards must suppress that part of our Heritage that proclaims All Men Are Created Equal.

For, if we are all equal, then we have become monsters.
 

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