Ninutsu Frank Dux!!!

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Here is a thread that was written by M.C. Busman back in 1999 concerning the legitamacy of Frank Dux:



(updated 10/2000)Every once in awhile I get an e-mail from someone
asking about the Dux-Ryu ninja school, or if Frank Dux, the fellow who
claimed to have fought in numerous "secret" kumite (sparring) matches,
fought as a war hero, and set "world records" for things like speed,
number of knockouts in a row, etc. is for real.

If you mean Frank Dux is "real" in the sense that he breaths and takes
up space, I guess that probably comes pretty close to the truth. If you
mean to ask, is he a legitimate martial artist, or has a credible
military career, or is honest and truthful, the answer is a resounding
NO.

Dux is one of the biggest fakes--if not ~the~ biggest con in the
martial arts community. This isn't just my opinion, it's a fact. Here's
the evidence (see end for references). . .

In May of 1988 (over 10 years ago!), reporter John Johnson of the Los
Angeles Times ran an expose of Frank Dux and his numerous lies. He
showed once and for all that Dux has never been in any international
"Kumite", or any tournament at all, for that matter. His only trophy,
which he had supposedly won in a secret competition in the Bahamas (all
those people, and it stayed secret except for Frank, who blabbed...),
had been manufactured in North Hollywood by the W.R. Moody Co. This is
not far from Dux's home town of Woodland Hills. Dux also claimed that
these supposed secret fights had been hosted by an organization called
the "International Fighting Arts Association", a group which reporter
Johnson said led only back to Dux himself! The most damning thing about
Dux though, even if one were to overlook his lies about having a secret
ninja teacher named Senzo Tanaka (Tanaka, like in James Bond films--no
evidence of such a person in the US or Japan has ever been uncovered),
rescued boatloads of Filipino orphans, or set any kind of martial arts
speed record (he didn't--please notice the only source for this spurius
information is Dux himself! His "knockout" and "speed" records have
never been proven or verified!), is the fact that Dux has ~lied~ about
his military career.

Frank Dux fabricated phony newspaper articles, including one from the
Washington Star, which painted him as some sort of military hero. When
LA Times reporter Johnson checked with the archives of the 'Star, they
told him no such article existed--another bold fake! In Fact, Dux's
records show he never even left the Continental US during his short
time as a RESERVE Marine, and in the words of Johnson, "His only known
war injury occurred when he fell off a truck he was painting in the
motor pool"(1988, 4). Johnson also writes that;

"His military medical file. . .said that on Jan. 22, 1978, he was
referred for psychiatric evaluation for expressing "flighty and
disconnected ideas." Though as a member of the reservs, which meant he
was on active duty only a short time, he reportedly insisted that he
was working for an intelligence agency." (1988:2)

Dux also made the blunder of mixing up Army and Marine awards on his
uniform, ~none~ of which were legitimately his. He even claimed to have
been ~secretly~ awarded the ~~Congressional Medal of Honor~~ by
Congress! Now, if you think hundreds of members of congress can keep
any sort of secret, you're really crazy! But Dux is somehow convinced
people will buy his lies (and surprisingly, many do!!). He doesn't
realize, or denies to himself that his tall tales hurt real veterans,
those who actually paid the price for our nation while he was a
youngster fantasizing about playing spy games and being a ninja master.

Dux's Book, "The Secret Man" is also completely contrived. Soldier of
Fortune did an expose on this fictional work of his, and debunked his
bogus military claims once and for all. The August 1996 issue included
a review called "Full Mental Jacket". The title of the article alone
should let you know what real military men think of his stories. SOF
mentioned this loser again in the Nov. 1998 issue in an article by
Larry Bailey entitled "Stolen Valor: Profiles of a Phony-Hunter". Dux
is shown wearing his incorrectly displayed and mixed Army and Marine
Medals! The book "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett is over 700 pages long,
and is devoted to unmasking military fakes--he devotes 4 pages to Dux's
fakery, debunking his hollow claims once and for all.

If you're still in doubt about this psychopathic clown, check out Court
TV online for a recounting of his exaggerations and subsequent loss in
court to Van Damme in a lawsuit last year.

It is a fact. Frank Dux is a Lying phony who has profited from
gulliability and the sacrifices of truly honorable people. Don't just
take my word--research the sources below for yourself:

Bailey, Larry. (1998). "Stolen Valor: Profiles of a Phony-Hunter", in
Soldier of Fortune. November 1998, 58-61, 73. [SOF backissues available
online from SOF website]

Burkett, B.G. (1998). Stolen Valor. Verity Press, TX. [should be
available online. check www.stolenvalor.com)

Court TV Online. (1999). "Frank Dux v. Jean Claude Van Damme". Link to:
http://www.courttv.com/trials/vandam/index.html

Johnson, John. (1988). "Ninja: Hero or Master Fake?", Los Angeles Times
Valley Edition, Metro Section Part 2, pg 4. May 1, 1988. [call LA Times
archives at 1800-788-8804 for your copy]

Soldier of Fortune. (1996). "Full Mental Jacket". August 1996.

Don't be afraid to check this guy out. Recently his make-believe
empire composed of impressionable CSU students has started falling down
around his head. His students are slowly discovering that "The emperor
wear no clothes", i.e. that Dux has been lying about his past.

One more thing to consider about Frank Dux's claims to have been a
secret military operative, employed by the CIA, etc. Does anybody
think that if Dux were actually telling the truth, and TRUELY had seen
or done anything of value regarding sensative information, that ANY
government would take the chance of letting such a ~blabbermouth~
live?

As for his martial arts tales, NO ONE can verify ANY of Frank Dux's
claims, from secret teachers to secret competitions. There are
numerous skilled NHB fighters making the rounds today who make his
claims look downright fictional (fittingly). We are expected to
believe that even out of all the other supposed competitors and
sponsors, nobody remembers of talks of these events except for Frank
Dux! And--with all of the supposedly consecutive knockouts he did (56,
he claims!), not one was in any public competition, nobody can verify
any of this? With all the fellows he's supposed to have fought, how
did this thing remain a secret--until he "let the cat out of the bag"?
C'mon. The pathology on this guy is unreal. Even the best conditioned
guys today don't go undefeated, or claim 56 knockouts in a row, or have
20 matches or more a day--or go years without being able to show a
shred of proof for any of their claims. The sad thing is that so many
trusting people take him at his word, to extent that one so-called
"Martial Arts Hall of Fame" (Frank Sanchez's Sokeship Council in
Florida) awarded this pathological liar a "Lifetime Achievement
Award"! Too bad it didn't specify "For Fraud" on the plaque!

Frank Dux has a lot of gall. Gall that is neither normal nor a sign of
being rooted in reality.

Caveat Lector.

M.C. Busman
 

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Personally (and this is just a pet peeve), I'm wary of anything claiming Japanese lineage and using the romanization of -jitsu. Speaks to me of a fundamental lack of understanding of the culture and language. BJJ is a notable exception, and I'm told that -jitsu is an acceptable phonetic expression in Europe, but I still don't like it.
 

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Originally posted by KumaSan

Personally (and this is just a pet peeve), I'm wary of anything claiming Japanese lineage and using the romanization of -jitsu. Speaks to me of a fundamental lack of understanding of the culture and language. BJJ is a notable exception, and I'm told that -jitsu is an acceptable phonetic expression in Europe, but I still don't like it.

I was the same way, until I found out that it is possible to use the romanization of '-jitsu' as long as the character for 'jitsu' (truth) is used.

So, if they translate their system as the 'art of so-and-so', but spell it with '-jitsu' rather than '-jutsu', I'd say there was a misunderstanding of the language present.

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Good point, and I have seen this, but they are few and far between. I have no problem with people messing this up if they don't know any better (used to do it all the time), but if they are claiming to speak authoritatively for some style or other (usually super-secret hidden in a cave for the last bajillion years), then they should at least know the difference between -jutsu and -jitsu.
 
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Thanks for the info everyone. I didn't know that much about Frank Dux, except for van Damme's movie on kickboxer. This kinda had me baffled... why does a movie titled kickboxer, star a ninjitsu master? (is it ninjitsu or ninjutsu??)

Kinda weird to me. Why is Van Damme sueing Dux anyways?

I don't know... it seems as though my quest for a good ninpo school will be a long one. It sounds like there are many frauds out here in the U.S. I mean with fakes like Ashida Kim and Frank Dux... i don't know what I'll do. What does everyone think about Tew-ryu? I'm not sure if its true ninpo.

One more thing... what's the difference between ninpo and ninjistu/ninjutsu?? Sorry for the naivety.
 

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Originally posted by ThuNder_FoOt

Thanks for the info everyone. I didn't know that much about Frank Dux, except for van Damme's movie on kickboxer. This kinda had me baffled... why does a movie titled kickboxer, star a ninjitsu master? (is it ninjitsu or ninjutsu??)

Well, I think the movie you're actually referring to is Bloodsport. Either way, they're both crappy flicks.

I don't know... it seems as though my quest for a good ninpo school will be a long one. It sounds like there are many frauds out here in the U.S. I mean with fakes like Ashida Kim and Frank Dux... i don't know what I'll do. What does everyone think about Tew-ryu? I'm not sure if its true ninpo.

I thought Tew-ryu was created by someone who broke away from Dux-ryu. Unless something else was added or significantly changed, you'd still be practicing fake ninjutsu.

Cthulhu
 

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is it ninjitsu or ninjutsu?

It's Ninjutsu. Any martial art based discription is "-jutsu".

Why is Van Damme sueing Dux anyways?

I think there's some Court TV documents on their website that explain a lot of the situation...I haven't read it in some time though.

One more thing... what's the difference between ninpo and ninjistu/ninjutsu??

Ninpo is considered the higher order of ninjutsu. Somewhat of taking Ninjutsu beyond physical techniques.


Sorry for the naivety.

Don't ever apologize for trying to expand your knowledge.

If you check out Winjutsu , there is a list of Bujinkan schools in the Yellow Pages.
 
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i really hate when MA's lie about their knowledge and experience. that really stinks. he's the vanilla ice of martial arts:rofl:
 
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Ronin

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Sadly if it smells it stinks! Imagine how many smaller scale martial artists out there are frauds. No wonder there is such a huge gap between a good martial artist and a bad one. Their Instructor doesnt know jack!!
 
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It seems though Cthulhu was correct in the fashion that Tew-ryu is a break away from Dux-ryu. Geez, I'm not sure what I was being told about a trip to the mountains for ninja stealth training. The way it was described was really disturbing. Is this typical training regime?

Thank you to Jay Bell on the information on the Bujinkan. Now this is true ninjutsu? I mean who is to say? I just hope I'm not receiving a biased opinion from Bujinkan students... because Dux-ryu students could claim the same thing, right? I guess I must begin my quest for information before I can begin my quest for a school.:asian:
 
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Well I've trained in the Bujinkan for a few years now and yeah some of us can be biased, but thats the same in any art, if looking for a school of ninjutsu just make sure you do your homework and trust your gut feeling. You'll know whats right and whats a crock. :asian:
 

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Originally posted by Jay Bell
Here is a thread that was written by M.C. Busman back in 1999 concerning the legitamacy of Frank Dux:
I met this guy (Frank Dux) personnally, and have had long conversations with him, and on a few occasions a few beers as well. "if you lie long enough, you'd believe it yourself". He is a typical hollywood made up guy, with some martial arts knowledge picked up from here and there. He surrounds himself with legit Martial artists such as Sifu Wong and others to gain credibility. He was smart enough to jump on the ninja band wagon in the 80's and make a buck or two. For a secret russian/Cia double agent , he sure does not speak a word of russian or any other languages except english. A few years back, he had a brain tumor removed which has effected his speech and sight. He is actually a very mellow and naive guy. He is currently working on another octagon type fighting tournament.
 
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As far as Dux goes, I think his matial exploits have been explained (or exposed) on here well...as far as his "military" record, that can be verified or disproved easily due to the recent FOI laws in effect (that weren't when he initially made the claims).

As far as Sensei Hoshino goes....do your homework! His real name isn't Hoshino (at least not originally). He changed it to such years back, and no, he's not even Japanese.
 

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I dunno guys, I'm 'a kinda scared to talk about Dux.

He might Real Ultimate Fight me to death, you know. :rolleyes:

Anyways....

What i think is that the bujinkan don't have the right to claim the name of ninjutsu or 'make a lot of use of the word ninja!

Considering Masaaki Hatsumi is the Soke of the ONLY remaining Ninjutsu ryu, and the majority of the other ryuha practiced in the Bujinkan are associated with the Iga ninja, I am inclined to disagree.

The bujinkan art is made out of nine schools and only three of those schools are NINJA or NINPO schools

Actually, Ninpo is taught in almost all of the Bujinkan ryuha (from what I've been told anyway). And most of the schools are closely tied with the Iga ninja to begin with (for example: Tozawa Hakuunsai, 'founder' of Gyokko-ryu Shitojutsu, was also a student of Hakuun-ryu ninjutsu and an Iga-ryu 'jonin' [Gyokko-ryu Kosshijutsu and Koto-ryu Koppojutsu come from Gyokko-ryu Shitojutsu]. Izumo Kanja Yoshiteru, 'founder' of both Kukishinden-ryu Happo Hikenjutsu and Shinden Fudo-ryu Dakentaijutsu, was also a student of Hakuun-ryu Ninjutsu and the family Izumo was one of the forty five families of the Iga-ryu).

the rest is JU JUTSU, the bujinkan practitioners with its teachers are training most of the time JU JUTSU the japanese are NOT teaching much of those NINJA schools or ninja stuff!

Actually, the only Bujinkan ryuha that I know of that teach 'jujutsu' (or rather, 'jutaijutsu') are Kukishinden-ryu, Shinden Fudo-ryu, and Takagi Yoshin-ryu. And, with the possible exception of Takagi Yoshin-ryu, those schools all have 'ninja ties' to one degree or another.

What people think but what is totaly wrong is that BUJINKAN is NINJUTSU this is clearly not the case BUJINKAN and ninjutsu ARE NOT THE SAME!

That depends on what you mean by 'ninjutsu'. Context is everything, my friend.

If you mean 'the arts of stealth, espionage, stealing-in, and bein' sneaky', then yes, only a few ryuha in the Bujinkan teach that definition of 'ninjutsu' (four, to be exact).

If you mean 'the martial arts developed and used by the ninja culture in ancient Japan', then almost all the ryuha in the Bujinkan are a form of 'ninjutsu' (most of them were historically part of the collective known as 'Iga-ryu ninjutsu').

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Hiranaka Hoshino's student Steven Barlaam is not English...he's Italian.
 

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Hiranaka Hoshino's student Steven Barlaam is not English...he's Italian.

Dude, you jump onto a thread that has been idle for over 4 years. Go over to the meet and greet section and introduce yourself at least. Don't know who dinged you for this post but it isn't very fair for making a statement.
 
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