Ninjitsu "streetfighting"

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Hey, another question: I called this guy up from this Ninjitsu club/dojo in my area, where I'm thinking of starting, to ask about Ninjitsu (I'm a beginner MA)...and he basically described Ninjitsu as "Japanese streetfighting"...said the style they teach is very aggressive, offensive, and destructive...ie, in a self-defense situation, it's very effective at taking a dude down (by the impression I got, the opponent tends to get hurt badly during the process!).

What are your thoughts on that? Still being a novice in the field, I dont know what to make of it. What do the experts out there (you guys) have to say?

Oh...he says that whenever his student enter fights, they clean the floor...to such an extent, that other gyms dont want to fight against them. That likely, or just bragging on his part?
 

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It sounds like bragging and does make me start to wonder about the place. But you'll have to check out a lesson for yourself.
 

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Yes, they are bragging. Ninjutsu has nothing to do with "streetfighting".

A great seminar I went to a few years back with Kevin Millis really opened my eyes to things. During the seminar, Kevin explained - "Budo is for fighting. Ninjutsu is for running away."

So true...so true
 

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I'd definatly be leary of that one. Ninjutsu just isn't a tourney style. So the comment about cleaning up is boastful. I have never heard that from any good Ninpo practitoner. Ninpo is about survival and being a warrior in every aspect of life. Streetfighing is just that.
Jay said it the best there.:asian:
 
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Hey dudes, so I went to the dojo the other day to check it out...being a public holiday, it was a pretty small class (6 people of the usual 30-odd)..4 of whom were 6th kyu students.

Because of the few numbers, Sensei decided not to do syllabus work, but "street combat" techniques (for a lack of a better name).....MAN, was I impressed, this dude is one lethal mother!! Take no nonsense attitude (wide as a barn with the skills to match)...yet willing to help at all costs and answer all questions I posed. Very cool dude.

Every technique he demontrated to the students till they perfected it, showing it himself and allowing students to try it on him. Which appeals to me, he doesnt see himself as above his students...he actively gets involved in his teaching.

The one thing I did discover though, is that he seems to have little reservation in teaching his students how to break someones arm/leg/shoulder should they be put in an defensive situation in a pub/street etc. That concerns me a little. Although I must point out that in every move, he always offers an alternative eg. move like this and he'll be in a wrist-lock, move like this and you'll break his wrist. Always two options, put your opponent in pain and offer him a submission, or simply break his joint if he persists.

Now I understand the need for this, but is this not perhaps over the top, or am I simply being naive to the dangers out there on the streets??

PS. Because of the inherent danger of most of the moves tought, no sparring or competitions are conducted...which for me is a bit of a loss, since I beleive you need that sparring/competition to evaluate whether what you are learning works...and also to test yourself and your techniques.

What do you guys think?
 
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Fitolandia

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jejeje... It reminded me about a story that our sensei told us... in a seminar, a student claimed to be abble to escape a tecnique, he was doing the tecnique with Nagato San, he blabbed like five minutes until Hatsumi Sensei told Nagato "brake it" and so he did...
but, well, going into the subject, Hatsumi Sensei said one time that in this age, Ninjutsu is not about fighting wars, it織s about fighting with your heart...

Sincerily hoping to be of some help

Gabriel
 
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Genin Andrew

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ok,I'm not to sure about this club and its element of "ninjutsu".This sensei guy sounds like hes very much into the physical side and almost teaches his 'art' like its a sport or a series of 'how to kick ***' techniques. Ninjutsu and ninjukai both ninja arts that specialise in the taijutsu,body and physical side.But more importantly over that there needs to be a strong mental or spiritual side(you need to meditate) so you can calm your mind and be more effective with your techniques.Unless this club has a meditation or mental side to it it sounds like a club that sega mega drive fans go to and play their favourite street fighter character.its hard to stress the importance of meditation to a beginner to the martial arts,but if you want to know more feel free to email me '[email protected]' if you want to know more...
 

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Koga-Shinobi said:
Hey, another question: I called this guy up from this Ninjitsu club/dojo in my area, where I'm thinking of starting, to ask about Ninjitsu (I'm a beginner MA)...and he basically described Ninjitsu as "Japanese streetfighting"...said the style they teach is very aggressive, offensive, and destructive...ie, in a self-defense situation, it's very effective at taking a dude down (by the impression I got, the opponent tends to get hurt badly during the process!).

What are your thoughts on that? Still being a novice in the field, I dont know what to make of it. What do the experts out there (you guys) have to say?

Oh...he says that whenever his student enter fights, they clean the floor...to such an extent, that other gyms dont want to fight against them. That likely, or just bragging on his part?

What "type" of Ninjutsu is it? Bujinkan, Genbukan, Jinenkan, Independant?

Do they have a website we can check out?
 

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Koga-Shinobi account is closed, so I don't expect a response Techno.
I can't see any Kan school having this approach so I would expect it to be a very poor example of an Indie.
I do know that Ashida Kim has affiliate schools in S Africa where the poster is from.
Too bad that an Indie would teach such a premis, just to kick ***.

I just got back from a great Indie seminar.
 
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Frank Anford

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according to Ralph Severe's website he seems to prepare people for real life scenario's. Maybe he would care to comment?
 
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chidarake

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Hmm..well the fact is that you'll never know until you try it out but, I
think ninjutsu is very street worthy it really just depends on the extent of how you are willing to defend your self.
 

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DO NOT go to a dojo that claims to teach "streetfighting". Such places are usually teaching things that will get you your *** kicked.

Here's the most important question: Did the "master" get on the mat and spar at the end of class? Were the drills done with resistance?
 

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hedgehogey said:
Here's the most important question: Did the "master" get on the mat and spar at the end of class? Were the drills done with resistance?

I wholeheartedly concur with the primacy of randori or live sparring. Seemingly wicked-looking holds can easily be slapped on compliant partners; the proof of the pudding, though, is trying to get those holds on a resisting partner.

Speaking of live sparring, hedge, how's the shoulder?
 

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