Actually, the sparring that I'm referring to is full contact. Again, I dont mean to discount your personal experience, but I've been to many many traditional kwoons, and all of my sifu's and sigungs have always mentioned sparring as being an essential element to their training. The reality is that they and I train "kuoshu", not gymnastic "wushu" that's being trained mostly today. Sparring has always been an essential part of kung fu training, and clubs who don't spar don't teach kung fu properly.Ok; we can agree to disagree. If you are referring to the accounts I'm thinking of, we must just view the definition of 'sparring' differently - no worries. I would describe those as tests performed within far stricter confines than sparring. And knowing how those things go in traditional CMA culture, it would be surprising were any of the students actually looking to punk the master. The reality is, contrary to your assertion earlier - sparring was always the exception rather than the rule in traditional CMA gwoon. With the advent of the internet and the shrinking of the global marketplace, the obvious value of sparring, and the skill it produces has become undeniable and more traditional artists are sparring these days, which I think is great.