- May 2, 2020
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It’s not the third eye @Jimmythebull wants to see rolling around…For his birthday, one of his students gave the Dalai Lama a box with a ribbon around it.
When he opened it he found it was empty inside.
Aha, he said, just what I wanted!
Before anyone starts rolling their third eye at me, it was a joke.
I’ll tell my roshi about this.You may be making a fundamental mistake with this (or any question) while meditating Zen-like. "Who" infers identity (and thus, ego) which comes with a whole bunch of mental baggage - exactly what you're hoping to get rid of. Most deep answers don't come when sought after. Go for "mushin" and allow answers to enter, without asking. Reminds me of the fable of the Yellow Emperor and his Night Colored Pearl.
Yeah when self-inquiry begins things get veerrry interesting...I find meditation very difficult. It’s not really ‘zoning out’ or being lost in some sort of reverie, but for me it’s akin to balancing an upturned broom on your fingertip or spinning plated on a cane!
I keep my eyes half-open and gently looking at a spot 2 metres before me on the floor, but my vision spread out laterally and vertically to avoid falling asleep and silencing the mind’s chatter a little. I sit in a Zen-prescribed manner, body aligned, pelvis rotated anteriorly, hands held in the Rinzai manner. Then I start by mentally counting the breaths…in various ways, sometimes in Japanese so it can’t be done mindlessly and automatically...hitotsu, futatsu, mittsu etc if thoughts enter my mind, I don’t attach to them but let them float away. If I engage with them…I’m hungry…what’s for breakfast…oh I like breakfast…breakfast TV is rubbish though…weather girl is sexy, though…dammit! ‘One, two, three…’ I start again. After 30 minutes or so and some kinhin or some Ah-un breathing, I sit again but don’t count my breaths. Just sit in silence and ask myself, ‘Who am I?’ and wait to see what arise. ‘Who am I?’, ‘Who am I ?’ again any extraneous thoughts are let go of, released and I ask, ‘Who am I?’ into the silence.
It’s hard for me to do and until my garden dojo is finally built, I don’t have a very pleasant place to sit. But for some reason I continue doing it…
Yeah definitely, it's only when people get stuck in the question, and expect some verbal/conceptual answer that it's an issue for sure. I treat that question more as a pointer, to lead you into the space of awareness and unknown rather than in looking for a nice answer. A few teachers even recommend the question "What am I?" instead, to lead away from personality identity. But all methods have their uses but also their limitations definitely.You may be making a fundamental mistake with this (or any question) while meditating Zen-like. "Who" infers identity (and thus, ego) which comes with a whole bunch of mental baggage - exactly what you're hoping to get rid of. Most deep answers don't come when sought after. Go for "mushin" and allow answers to enter, without asking. Reminds me of the fable of the Yellow Emperor and his Night Colored Pearl.
From where these copied, may I ask?
Bullet points Copied and pasted.
Distinct to Eastern Meditation
- Connecting to nature or universe
- Belief that humanity can become one with the universe
- Specific bodily posture
- No emphasis on relationship with the Divine.
Similarities between both
- Connection to the Divine or God
- Spiritual journey
- Belief that meditation is important for human spirituality
- Repetition of words or phrases
- Overall health benefits
Distinct to Christian Meditation
- Discovery of God
- Connecting with God
- Belief that there is only one God, who is a personal being
- Non-specific bodily posture
- Relationship with God
Just so ya know:
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground….
Just throwing it out there . Your are fee for follow you own path.
From where these copied, may I ask?
Thank you for this!Many are familiar with Eastern meditation in the Western world today due to the incline of the New Age movement and the introduction of Eastern meditation through Western psychologists. Along with this knowledge, many would agree that Eastern meditation has been around for thousands of years...justdisciple.com
Interesting!A new and interesting alternative to mindfulness meditation that might provide better outcomes for people in, real-time and very stressful situations.
A Class of Meditative Practices That Produces Different Effects From Mindfulness-Related Meditation - Neuroscience NewsStudy identifies a different class of meditative practices that seek to employ and regulate the state of stress an individual experiences, rather than reduce it, to achieve a more heightened state of focus and attention.neurosciencenews.com
I wonder if what you did all those years ago was ‘mokuso’?I remember practicing a seated form of meditation when I studied Isshin Ryu 30 years ago; we never did it for more than 10 minutes at a time, it was done to mentally prepare for training. As a 9 or 10 year old, I understood they idea but the practice and scope of it was beyound me at the time. I haven't done much meditating since, especially seated; too much time in front of screens as it is, I have 20 in front of me at work, not including my phone. Getting out and moving, especially through the woods while hiking seems to give me that sense of clear mindedness, although arguably it could also be a form of runner's high. Some people move so much during their day to day that 30 minutes of sitting meditation might be their chance at recharging. You find what works for you, just try a bit of everything.
I knew him, he was arrogant, narcissistic and racist. It was his arrogance that caused his accident in which he lost his legs. He had prosthetic legs, he was a fearless fighter pilot but treated his ground crew and others appallingly, was cruel to his batman as well as causing huge trouble for his fellow inmates at Colditz because the Germans took his antics out on them. He is feted as a hero because the War Department needed him and others to bolster morale during the war. He was disliked by most in the RAF for a lot time afterwards. I have to mention this, sorry, but he needs to be remembered as what he was.100 years?
I've got a great WWII British squadron commander to tell you about, Douglas Bader....no legs, became a fighter ace anyway. Spent every year of his life seated without choice, still shot down, got back up and became a hero for disabled kids.
Learned this on Facebook of all places. Every now and then...