learning multiple styles

Interesting. Yes I am in my 70's, for a few more days.
I know my memory is getting worse.
I know I am not as flexible as I one was.
I know I am not as strong as I once was.
I know I am not as fast as I once was.
I know I do not pick up new ideas as I once did.
I know I am not as fluid as I once was.
I know my body doesn't move like it once did.

I find my lack of progress frustrating.
But, not withstanding it all, I am enjoying it.

p.s. I also enjoy this forum. LOL
 
Almost all CMA contain methods of - striking, kicking, throwing and joint manipulating. In a way almost every CMA contain all martial arts. If mastered one style any other style would not be a difficult thing, and it wouldn’t be a necessary thing.
 
If you are good at low round house kick from the striking art. Every time when you use it, you can hurt your opponent's leading leg so bad that your opponent has to stop the fight. One day you learn foot sweep from the throwing art; by adding shoulder pulling, your low roundhouse kick can turn into a foot sweep that can take down your opponent.

Is that a good thing to add? After that day, you are no longer looking for 1 contact point (fist meet face). You start to look for multiple contact points at the same time (foot sweep and shoulder pull), your MA training has move up to a new level.
Sure. Why not?
 
I am doubtful of most claims that a person practices and/or teaches multiple systems at a high level. For most people, one is plenty. A few are successful with two. Beyond that, I believe the returns are diminishing and most people are fooling themselves. Training multiple systems spreads one too thin, not enough hours in the day or days in the week to give each method the time and effort it demands.

Many people have experience with multiple systems, but ultimately put aside most of them to focus on one or two. That wide experience is valuable, not least of which because it helps you figure out which is the best method for you personally. You might drift away from your first system in favor of something you discover later.

At any rate, having multiple systems in one’s experience is not unusual. I only get skeptical when people claim they maintain a high level in all of them.
Meh. Define high level or high value?
In my primary art (TKD) I made it to the finals in the Olympic circuit. But that was on a fully personal level with Very specific parameters. My primary style of TKD (MDK) is much broader and is what I have always taught in our schools.
Being ever curious as a martial artist, I wanted to learn what I might be missing in my training. So, when the opportunity to learn Shotokan locally presented itself, I jumped on it. It turned into a Great synergy between our school and the Shotokan school for about 6-years. The Shotokan instructor and I are still friends to this day but he decided to close his school when his 'real' job took him another way.
I have implemented more than a few Shotokan skills into my regular curriculum. Yes, to the chagrin my TKD GM. We have a very good relationship and I see him 2-3 times/week.
Will I ever be a 'Master' in Shotokan? No. That was never my intent and I am okay with that. I got to 1st Dan as a 'means to an end' to compliment my primary style. Period. No other expectations. My 'deep dive' will always be in TKD and I am in the camp that says I will never learn everything, never be satisfied with my training. That is a powerful driving force.

I started Kali when I was a LEO. I went to a class with another MA's friend not knowing it was a great fit for my current LE role. Nor did I know at the time that the instructor was one of the best in the country (Bill McGrath). I was a sponge, and honestly, had my life been different at that time, it could have taken me in a different direction, following it wholly. But I had/have a pretty clear path for my life and LE was basically a temporary side track. Love and appreciate the experience, but not for me.

To add to my argument, my life has always been Very busy. Everything I talk about in regard to competing, training, and owning/operating our schools is concert with my very full time engineering business, our full time 4th generation cattle operation, and my rock star wife and family. It is just beyond normal for me.

Time is a construct. You have made it one thing, I have made it another. What we do with our time is what WE do with our time.
How is it fair for you to say what another person can do with their time? Foolish assertion.

I have said many times I look back at my competition run and wonder how in the heck I fit all that work, blood, sweat, and tears into the window of time I had. But I know I did it, and even with the sacrifice that came with it, I would not change a thing.
Except maybe getting gold which was simply out of my physical grasp. And again, I am okay with that because I am absolutely certain I reached beyond my very best to get as far as I did.

Rant over.
 
Meh. Define high level or high value?
In my primary art (TKD) I made it to the finals in the Olympic circuit. But that was on a fully personal level with Very specific parameters. My primary style of TKD (MDK) is much broader and is what I have always taught in our schools.
Being ever curious as a martial artist, I wanted to learn what I might be missing in my training. So, when the opportunity to learn Shotokan locally presented itself, I jumped on it. It turned into a Great synergy between our school and the Shotokan school for about 6-years. The Shotokan instructor and I are still friends to this day but he decided to close his school when his 'real' job took him another way.
I have implemented more than a few Shotokan skills into my regular curriculum. Yes, to the chagrin my TKD GM. We have a very good relationship and I see him 2-3 times/week.
Will I ever be a 'Master' in Shotokan? No. That was never my intent and I am okay with that. I got to 1st Dan as a 'means to an end' to compliment my primary style. Period. No other expectations. My 'deep dive' will always be in TKD and I am in the camp that says I will never learn everything, never be satisfied with my training. That is a powerful driving force.

I started Kali when I was a LEO. I went to a class with another MA's friend not knowing it was a great fit for my current LE role. Nor did I know at the time that the instructor was one of the best in the country (Bill McGrath). I was a sponge, and honestly, had my life been different at that time, it could have taken me in a different direction, following it wholly. But I had/have a pretty clear path for my life and LE was basically a temporary side track. Love and appreciate the experience, but not for me.

To add to my argument, my life has always been Very busy. Everything I talk about in regard to competing, training, and owning/operating our schools is concert with my very full time engineering business, our full time 4th generation cattle operation, and my rock star wife and family. It is just beyond normal for me.

Time is a construct. You have made it one thing, I have made it another. What we do with our time is what WE do with our time.
How is it fair for you to say what another person can do with their time? Foolish assertion.

I have said many times I look back at my competition run and wonder how in the heck I fit all that work, blood, sweat, and tears into the window of time I had. But I know I did it, and even with the sacrifice that came with it, I would not change a thing.
Except maybe getting gold which was simply out of my physical grasp. And again, I am okay with that because I am absolutely certain I reached beyond my very best to get as far as I did.

Rant over.
TKD is your main method.

Shotokan was a supplement and a means to an end.

Kali was a short term side track.

Everything you have said supports my earlier comments.
 
Define high level or high value?
My definition of "high level" is a skill that you can use to defeat everybody on this planet.

When my teacher was young, people won't wrestle with him if he used "leg spring". His "leg spring" was so effective that nobody could escape out of it.
 
My definition of "high level" is a skill that you can use to defeat everybody on this planet.

When my teacher was young, people won't wrestle with him if he used "leg spring". His "leg spring" was so effective that nobody could escape out of it.
I admire the ambition, but let's live in the real world. Everyone and I mean everyone can be beaten. Does that mean we train that way? No, of course not. But that is just talking foolish smack. Ripe for getting you in a fix you did not expect to get into.
In my prime I could score or (I believe) knock anyone out. But conditionally, that was not always realistic.
You have to pick your battles wisely.
 
I admire the ambition, but let's live in the real world. Everyone and I mean everyone can be beaten.
If someone can make your (general YOU) best technique fail, that means your best technique is not good enough.

If we put the whole earth population in one tournament, there will be only 1 winner. After that winner dies. the whole earth will be filled with losers. This reality doesn't affect our MA training goal - to be the best.

In MA, you don't need to be good on everything. You only need to be good on 1 thing. People who want to learn that 1 thing, they will come to you.
 
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This reality doesn't affect our MA training goal - to be the best.

My goal is not to be the best in the absolute sense, my goal is more modest: to find my own "optimum". To learn and master the premises give to me to the limits, meaning I have done everything I possible could have give nthe physical constraints of my body and brain. Ie to "master" fully the resources I have at my disposal.

Then if you suddently face a dragon, immune to all jedi tricks, what can you do?
 
My goal is not to be the best in the absolute sense, my goal is more modest: to find my own "optimum". To learn and master the premises give to me to the limits, meaning I have done everything I possible could have give nthe physical constraints of my body and brain. Ie to "master" fully the resources I have at my disposal.

Then if you suddently face a dragon, immune to all jedi tricks, what can you do?
Wait, you have Jedi tricks?
 
If someone can make your (general YOU) best technique fail, that means your best technique is not good enough.

If we put the whole earth population in one tournament, there will be only 1 winner. After that winner dies. the whole earth will be filled with losers. This reality doesn't affect our MA training goal - to be the best.

In MA, you don't need to be good on everything. You only need to be good on 1 thing. People who want to learn that 1 thing, they will come to you.
The guy can clap 12 times during a single jumping push up.
 
My goal is not to be the best in the absolute sense,
Old saying said, "A soldier who doesn't want to be a general is not a good soldier".

When I was in elementary school, I had a nickname "president". One day the teacher asked every student who do they want to be when they grow up, I said that I want to be a president. I fail my goal, but it didn't prevent me from setting my goal.

My teacher had undefeated tournament record in his Chinese wrestling field. One day I asked him how he could maintain undefeated. He said when you feel that you may have hard time to remain your title, you quit tournament competition.

One day, the Chinese wrestling master Man wrestled with my teacher's teacher The Phoenix Zhang. Master Man used embracing throw on his opponent and failed. Master Man declared formal retirement that day. The day when your "door guarding skill" failed, the day, you should retire from competition.
 
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You seem to be referring to ranks and competitions; all external goals.

My goals are more of internal type, the experience of control of your situation, to the extent possible. You are always influence by external conditions you can't change, my only task is to perform the most rational actions at all time. This is mental satisfaction and harmony. Wether I win or loose a particular competition is influence both on external factors and an element of chance. Placing your bets rationally can be pure skill, winning in on particular occasion is to part luck.
 

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