Krav Maga

[progressivetactics]

It is the y2k fad. It was tae bo, it was yoshikai aikido, it was isshin ryu, it was ninjistsu, it was judo, it was jeet kune do.. Every couple of years, something comes in and it quickly goes out again of popularity. Remember the ninja? They were so good at stealth, you can't find a school anymore!

It is good training prinicples, but not necessarily a good art. It makes good sense as an add in to an art. It teaches the important things like knees and elbows, that some traditional arts sometimes dont focus on.

It was marketed very well, and seems like they took their time putting this plan into place. I see it being around for a bit before fading back to only a few schools per state.

bb

 

[moromoro]

is haganna related to krav maga i have heard of haganna before but i could not find any in fo on it

 

[Zepp]

"Haganah," in every context that I'm familiar with, was the name for foreign Jews who traveled to Israel in 1948-49 to help protect the Jewish state in it's war for survival.

There is no martial art called Haganah. Mike Lee Kanarek may have learned Krav Maga, but he never trained, trained with, or learned from anyone in the special forces of Israel's military. He is a fraud, plain and simple.

There are variations of Krav Maga that are taught to real Israeli special forces units (they have separate elite units for just about everything imaginable) that are adapted for various purposes. (My source here is former Israeli soldiers.)

I don't really trust the large civilian Krav Maga organizations myself- they seem way too commercialized. But if you find an independent instructor with credentials from the Israeli Defense Forces, you probably can't go too wrong.

moromoro, I think you'd find that much of Krav Maga resembles the unarmed components of the blade arts you've trained in. At least, that's what I found when I took lessons in kali (or eskrima, depending on what you want to call it).

 

[moromoro]

yes i noticed how some krav maga was similar to eskrima in unarmed, simple effective

Mike Lee Kanarek, how does the system he teaches differ from krav maga????

thanks
for the help

terry

 

[Zepp]

Originally posted by moromoro
Mike Lee Kanarek, how does the system he teaches differ from krav maga????

Looking at his bio on the webpage that arnisador mentioned, it seems like a mishmash of the various arts he supposedly trained in. The "System Overview" given there sounds exactly like typical krav maga.
There sure are lots of interesting credentials listed. I think we all have better things to waste our money on than finding out what it is that Kanarek actually teaches.

 

[A.R.K.]

I had the opportunity to train under Moti Horenstein in a 40 hr course at S.E.P.S.I. a couple of years ago in Krav Maga. Very intense course, and very realistic and 'street' applicable. He's up in New York [New city or something close?]. I would recommend him highly as he's a good instructor, very calm and has used what he teaches in real application.

:asian:

 

[moromoro]

yes but isnt moti horenstien a karateka and dindnt he get his *** kicked in the UFC

 

[A.R.K.]

I don't know if he has any other training besides Krav Maga and Ju Jitsu. If my information is correct he is 2nd or 3rd generation from Krav Maga's founder. The name Dennis Hanover comes to mind but I'm not familar with the background of Krav Maga, just many of the techniques. He has served and trained in the IDF and I know personally that he has real world experience in this area with hand-to-hand combat.

I think he has won once in the UFC and lost several times. But I'm not sure, I don't really follow these types of things. My opinion is that they are as realistic as a MA's tournament i.e. they are not. If it has a referee, rules, time outs etc it isn't very real world and how well or poorly an individual does in them may not reflect their true capabilities.

He's a good teacher, this I do know. And a fine friend.

:asian:

 

[moromoro]

he lost all his fights in the ufc,
and he even walk to the octagon in a karete uniform and they first annouced him a karate then survival.............

he also has a karate background

 

[A.R.K.]

With respect I think he has won one of them. I couldn't tell you who but I'll take a look.

:asian:

 

[A.R.K.]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=139

It looks as if he is 1 and 5 at the time of this information. I can't tell you how up to date it is, I don't follow these things. He won against a Patrick Smith at the Bass Ruten Invitational. Don't know if it's UFC or not?

But again, even though these are 'tough' contests they still are not reality. An individuals record may or may not reflect actual street ability and certainly not teaching ability.

:asian:

 

[moromoro]

no its not ufc, and his match was a kickboxing match

 

[A.R.K.]

Ok, I suppose I'm not following your point regarding the whole thing.....?

:idunno:

 

[moromoro]

my point is that moti horenstien has a karate background but then changed his style and called it survival!!!!!!!!!

 

[moromoro]

he may be a good teacher but >>>>>

Originally posted by moromoro
my point is that moti horenstien has a karate background but then changed his style and called it survival!!!!!!!!!

also he did lose in the ufc

and i dont think he has an extensive KM background

 

[A.R.K.]

So

 

[moromoro]

so,.,

he may be a skilled fighter but i think he is a karate master and his KM may be a recent addition

 

[A.R.K.]

What took you so long to reply?

 

[moromoro]

sorry man, i was suspended for expressing politically orientated views that the american FMA public dont want to hear........


thanks man

terry

 

[arnisador]

Originally posted by moromoro
sorry man, i was suspended for expressing politically orientated views that the american FMA public dont want to hear........

This is not correct.

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