Junzuki -- Just what is it?

[SPX]

So quick question here . . . a point of confusion.

At my wado-ryu school--which I should point out that is headed by one of the top wado guys in America, Sensei Toshio Osaka--we're taught that the "junzuki" is essentially a jab. In fact, that's exactly what it is.

But when I run "junzuki" or "jun zuki" or "jun tsuki" through Google or YouTube it comes up with a variety of results, none of which look like the simple jab that I've been taught.

Does anyone have an explanation for this? Is it a wado vs shotokan thing? Or what?

 

[Tez3]

Read 'Introduction to Karate' by Shingo Ohgami. It explains Wado Ryu very nicely.

 

[Chris Parker]

The translation is literally 'fundamental/basic/primary thrust/punch', so it can be whatever is considered just a basic punch to that system, or even that school/dojo/instructor. That may explain why you see a few different versions. I'd personally just follow what you're taught in your dojo as 'junzuki', and be aware of the others for interests' sake.

 

[SPX]

Read 'Introduction to Karate' by Shingo Ohgami. It explains Wado Ryu very nicely.

Thanks for the heads up. I will certainly do that.

EDIT: Wow. Went to order this from Amazon and it's $70 used. It might be a little while before I can pick it up.

 

[SPX]

The translation is literally 'fundamental/basic/primary thrust/punch', so it can be whatever is considered just a basic punch to that system, or even that school/dojo/instructor. That may explain why you see a few different versions. I'd personally just follow what you're taught in your dojo as 'junzuki', and be aware of the others for interests' sake.

Cool. I guess that helps to explain it.

I just thought it was weird, since I've never heard "mae geri" or "mawashi geri" mean anything other than a front kick or roundhouse, respectively. But this "junzuki" thing was raising some questions.

 

[Chris Parker]

Ha, well, "mae" mean front, "keri/geri" means kick, and "mawashi" means "turn around", so that's understandable!

 

[SPX]

Ha, well, "mae" mean front, "keri/geri" means kick, and "mawashi" means "turn around", so that's understandable!

Ha. Well I suppose I'm no linguist.

I just assumed that the same Japanese terminology corresponds to the same technique across the board.

 

[Chris Parker]

Ooh, wow, good lord no.... just because they use a similar, or the same terminology, that doesn't mean that they're the same thing. For instance, there's a term "Koshi no Mawari", which refers to "around the hips"... in some systems, that refers to a throwing-heavy grappling system, but in others it refers to sword and short weapon use... as they would be what is found "around the hips". Then you have the term "Iai". Most recognise this as referring to sword drawing (but some systems use the term batto instead, or another term entirely), but there are systems that use it to refer to seated (unarmed) techniques... and others that use it for standing unarmed techniques. And from there it starts getting confusing....

 

[SPX]

Thanks for the info.

My background is in TKD, not Karate. So all this karate stuff is new to me, haha.

 

[dcsma]

Zuki if I remember from my Shotokan training days was a term for a punch in Shotokan. But I ended only at a 9 Kyu in Shotokan. My main art is in TKD 2nd Dan.

 

[Chris Parker]

Yeah, "tsuki/zuki" literally refers to a thrusting forward action, and is pretty commonly used to refer to a straight punch in unarmed systems. With weapons, it's a thrust with that weapon.

 

[Grenadier]

Back when I was a Wado practitioner, we referred to jun zuki as the "same side" punch, meaning that the right foot would be forward when the right hand punches, or the left foot would be forward when the left hand punches. The term "jun zuki dachi" was used to describe our forward stance, which is normally referred to as "zen kutsu dachi."

Gyaku zuki was the "opposite side" punch (what most people refer to as "reverse punch"), where the opposing foot was forward, instead of the same side foot.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Back when I was a Wado practitioner, we referred to jun zuki as the "same side" punch, meaning that the right foot would be forward when the right hand punches, or the left foot would be forward when the left hand punches. The term "jun zuki dachi" was used to describe our forward stance, which is normally referred to as "zen kutsu dachi."

Gyaku zuki was the "opposite side" punch (what most people refer to as "reverse punch"), where the opposing foot was forward, instead of the same side foot.

In Isshin-Ryu, the punch from the forward leg side is 'Seiken Oi Tsuki' and the reverse punch is 'Seiken Geaku Tsuki'.

However, I looked up 'Jun Tsuki' (instead of "junzuki") and it shows a different punch; something coming off the shoulder; we throw from the obi (belt) when we do a Seiken Oi Tsuki. So perhaps not the same punch?

EDIT: Found this video. Looks like a jodan punch (to the head).

Our Jodan Oi Tsuki is a different variation, same target (the head).

 

[SPX]

Back when I was a Wado practitioner, we referred to jun zuki as the "same side" punch, meaning that the right foot would be forward when the right hand punches, or the left foot would be forward when the left hand punches. The term "jun zuki dachi" was used to describe our forward stance, which is normally referred to as "zen kutsu dachi."

Gyaku zuki was the "opposite side" punch (what most people refer to as "reverse punch"), where the opposing foot was forward, instead of the same side foot.

Yes, that's exactly the way I'm being taught in wado. Interesting to know that I might speak to a Shotokan guy and our wires will get crossed due to terminology.

 

[SPX]

EDIT: Found this video. Looks like a jodan punch (to the head).

That's the junzuki no tsukomi (high leaning punch) which is a different punch than the junzuki.

 

[Tez3]

Thanks for the heads up. I will certainly do that.

EDIT: Wow. Went to order this from Amazon and it's $70 used. It might be a little while before I can pick it up.

It shouldn't be that much. It's $33 on this site. Lots of other stuff too, his kata book is very good too. You can get both for $59.

http://www.wado-media.com/en/bin/sr...load.htm&UID=5163_153F300D&$query?group=01000

 

[SPX]

It shouldn't be that much. It's $33 on this site. Lots of other stuff too, his kata book is very good too. You can get both for $59.

http://www.wado-media.com/en/bin/sr...load.htm&UID=5163_153F300D&$query?group=01000

Cool, I'll check it out.

 

[Ray B]

Jun tsuki/Choku tsuki/ Oi tsuki, all the same or different according to the organization you belong to. There is not one school syllabus that is the same. Shotokan calls chudan soto uke my chudan uchi uke. Why? I believe it's because the correct term in Shotokan is chudan soto ude uke meaning middle outside forearm block. Referring to the inside of the forearm. We, in Shorin-ryu refer to the arm direction sweeping to the outside.

What is correct? Sensei.

Best regards,

 

[dancingalone]

It shouldn't be that much. It's $33 on this site. Lots of other stuff too, his kata book is very good too. You can get both for $59.

http://www.wado-media.com/en/bin/sr...load.htm&UID=5163_153F300D&$query?group=01000

Unless my eyes deceive me, the price is 33 Euros, not US dollars. With the conversion to dollars along with s/h from Europe, $70 is probably close enough.

If anyone is interested in buying a Wado book, I actually think the Danubio book has a better layout and it includes the kumite sets.

 

[Tez3]

I still only paid about £6 new for the books though, they must be very expensive in America.