With the wild claim offered in the general self defense forum that WTF, ITF, ATA etc all don't teach even basic grappling elements like counters to wrist grabs until BB, if then, I found it interesting that apparently every single TKD practitioner on MT said "Uh, what?" in response to the assertion.
Despite the fact that I'm assured it's generally true
, I'd think that there would be at least a few TKDers on MT that don't train some grappling elements. So, bascially I'm wondering what the general self-defense approach is in the dojangs frequented by TKDers that are here on MT. Unless only the folks who avoided the McDojos are the only ones that care enough to post here, you'd think that a representative sample would emerge...
Anyway, basic self defense requirements per belt in the USTF syllabus go about like this:
White Belt- Two releases from a straight grab to the wrist. Also two releases from a cross grab to the wrist.
Yellow belt- One release from a double grab to the lapel. One release from a double grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a double handed choke. (That could be the ol' Frankenstein style grab, or other stuff like a rear naked choke etc) One joint attack from a straight grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a single cross grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a double grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a single grab to the label. Basic understanding of pressure points.
Green belt- Demonstrate breakfalls. (Front, side, back, somersaults) Single choke from the front, double choke from front, single choke from rear, double choke from rear. (All of these are demonstrating basic grappling attacks, not defenses.) One throw against a punch, throw against a front kick, throw against a straight fingertip thrust.
Blue belt- Throw vs back piercing kick. Capture a side piercing kick, capture a front kick. Defend against front double choke, defend against single choke from the rear, defend against a headlock. Defend against a full nelson, defend against a front bear hug, defend against a bear hug from behind (both are over the arms) defend against a front single hair grab, defend against a rear single hand hair grab. Scissor kick takedown, foot sweeps vs L stance.
Red belt- Throw vs turning kick, throw against inward knife hand strike, throw vs double front choke, throw vs side-piercing kick. Demonstrate six pressure points w/passive partner. Demonstrate two pressure points against attacking partner.
1st dan- 1-2 minute demonstration of self defense against (in no particular order) punch, inward strike w/reverse knife hand, backfist, twin lapel grab, single grab from behind (not a choke), straight or cross grab to arm or wrist, front snap kick, turning kick, back piercing kick, choke with hands from behind.
(Usually see a lot of throws and takedowns in these demos)
2nd dan- 1-2 minute demonstration against two attackers. No predefined attacks.
3rd dan+ no specific self defense testing requirements. (Mostly spun into step sparring.)
Outside of testing requirements, there are also self defense seminars that cover other grappling topics like ground fighting etc.
Despite the fact that I'm assured it's generally true
, I'd think that there would be at least a few TKDers on MT that don't train some grappling elements. So, bascially I'm wondering what the general self-defense approach is in the dojangs frequented by TKDers that are here on MT. Unless only the folks who avoided the McDojos are the only ones that care enough to post here, you'd think that a representative sample would emerge...Anyway, basic self defense requirements per belt in the USTF syllabus go about like this:
White Belt- Two releases from a straight grab to the wrist. Also two releases from a cross grab to the wrist.
Yellow belt- One release from a double grab to the lapel. One release from a double grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a double handed choke. (That could be the ol' Frankenstein style grab, or other stuff like a rear naked choke etc) One joint attack from a straight grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a single cross grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a double grab to the wrist. One joint attack from a single grab to the label. Basic understanding of pressure points.
Green belt- Demonstrate breakfalls. (Front, side, back, somersaults) Single choke from the front, double choke from front, single choke from rear, double choke from rear. (All of these are demonstrating basic grappling attacks, not defenses.) One throw against a punch, throw against a front kick, throw against a straight fingertip thrust.
Blue belt- Throw vs back piercing kick. Capture a side piercing kick, capture a front kick. Defend against front double choke, defend against single choke from the rear, defend against a headlock. Defend against a full nelson, defend against a front bear hug, defend against a bear hug from behind (both are over the arms) defend against a front single hair grab, defend against a rear single hand hair grab. Scissor kick takedown, foot sweeps vs L stance.
Red belt- Throw vs turning kick, throw against inward knife hand strike, throw vs double front choke, throw vs side-piercing kick. Demonstrate six pressure points w/passive partner. Demonstrate two pressure points against attacking partner.
1st dan- 1-2 minute demonstration of self defense against (in no particular order) punch, inward strike w/reverse knife hand, backfist, twin lapel grab, single grab from behind (not a choke), straight or cross grab to arm or wrist, front snap kick, turning kick, back piercing kick, choke with hands from behind.
(Usually see a lot of throws and takedowns in these demos)
2nd dan- 1-2 minute demonstration against two attackers. No predefined attacks.
3rd dan+ no specific self defense testing requirements. (Mostly spun into step sparring.)
Outside of testing requirements, there are also self defense seminars that cover other grappling topics like ground fighting etc.
