- Apr 18, 2002
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You are still putting the limitations of your experience on an entire art form. TKD is not "always jumping, hopping at the minimum." The first jump kick that is required traditonally is not until the highest level of brown or red, depending on which TKD system you are working. It is not required in application until testing for 1st black. While TKD has become known for it's high and aerial kicks in the past 20 years or so, most of that was incorporated for the sport and demonstration aspect. Many instructors that do not understand the history of the art's development require unnaturally high kicks without understanding what they are requiring or why. Tumbling is a second issue. I have never heard of a traditonal TKD system that required tumbling. Falling and rolling was optional, especially if you were going to branch into yudo or HKD. As for your age, I have a student older, who does quite well at falls and rolls. I gave him the option to do them or not. At a certain point, an instructor must realize that their are limitations on what is safe/unsafe or healthy/unhealthy for his/her students and adapt it. My instructor has a one armed student, this student obviously cannot do certain of our material. Does this mean that student cannot progress in our art to the best of his ability? Of course not, to think otherwise is absurd. Since you are 55, you may remember a child that was confined to a wheel chair that obtained a black belt. It was on 60 minutes back in the 70s.TigerWoman said:This way is not the only way we do aerobic activity but TKD is always jumping, hopping at the minimum. This is not the only organization I have seen which does considerable jumping. One other organization expects tumbling also, hahahaha from a 55 yr. old. And they have a cement floor with a few old mats.
This is unfortunate. You have had a bad experience. I, too, had a bad experience, you may recall I had my entire right knee reconstructed about 10 years ago. My cartilidge is all but gone. I never had ligament or hamstring issues. The main issue that many students have when doing jumping or hopping is not being taught to do it correctly. The same thing happens when students are not taught to kick correctly, they develop not only knee issues but hip issues as well. Properly taught technique will minimize injury.What happens to knees after years of jumping? What cartilage you had does wear down. Its inevitable. The knees sans shock absorbers-the cartilage-- cannot handle any stress nor the ligaments or hamstrings-the twisting, and nor the pain--one can only take so much Advil.
Rubbish. A statement like that not only limits the art, it gives an unrealistic and unreachable goal. The only thing this kind of attitude will do is foster negativity that will not only limit you more than physically, it will translate to your students and your fellow students/instructors as well.Not being able to train to the capability of the art is not the art.
Forms are only part of any art. Basics are one part of an art. I have been teaching martial arts for nearly 17 years and have been at the arts for over 30. Jumping and spinning is not the encompassment of TKD, if someone is teaching you that it is, they are doing a disservice to you and the art they claim to teach.Oh yes, you can do forms, and say you do TKD, but that isn't it. I teach it.
At what level do you require this? And more importantly, why?So here is a jump spin heel.
Good, now we are making progress. You are taking your limitations into account and not transferring them to everyone. Yes, it is much easier to show someone how to do something that it is to explain it. As you grow as an advanced practitoner, you should be revisiting your lower belt material and saying, what is wrong with this, how can I make it better? Teaching is the best learning tool, and it sounds like you have a good start on it. Learn to be a better teacher and it will make you a better practitioner all the way around. I had pretty reached the upper end of my abilities until I acquired a new instructor. In the course of teaching me to be a better instructor that does not rely on the trial and error method, my own technique and understanding has improved exponentitally.And for one my age, I have to practice it to show it, to teach it. Words only go so far. And for me to be challenged mentally and physically in the art, I have to practice it and progress-learn more both physically and mentally. Or regress.
I basically agree with that statement. I would also say that you talk to any potential instructor, explain what your particular issues are and hear them out.I would not recommend Taekwondo as an art for beginners with bad knees because their knees will get worse from the wear and tear unless you can find a McDojang that doesn't require much to get a black belt.
I have, which is why I have debated this issue with you. If you are that disenfranchised with what you are doing, why don't you look to make a change? The only real limitations we have are the ones we place on ourselves. I would not recommend most TKD schools to people with severe joint issues, there are a few I would recommend without hesitation, but they are the exception, not the rule.And I probably should have chosen another art as well in the beginning. Bad knees don't get better with any kind of jumping, hopping, twisting. Hey, this is my personal experience here, walk in my shoes. TW