What are good arts for people with bad knees/ankles? I've just had a lot of wear and tear from high school football and want something that will make me strong and supple.... not weak and arthritic.
TigerWoman said:. My knees were due to 20 yrs. of running
MJS said:Isn't that amazing. Something that is supposed to be good for you, in the long run..no pun intended... :ultracool can cause problems later on in life.
I agree that any art should be fine. I would steer clear of TKD Sporting schools although a good sensei/instructor can design a program that meets your needs. If you sign=up at a school that specialized in SD - that is exactly what you should be learning regardless of your physical state.calmone said:I think any art would be fine. Just be up front with your instructor on your condition. I have had 5 knee operations and just by going and doing up to my abilities i have strengthened my legs and knees. I cant do a lot of extended kicks, but I have gradually increased since I began 2 1/2 years ago. My flexibility has also increased.
Seig said:It is not the art, but the teacher and the practitioner. Only you know what you are feeling. If you start to aggrivate an injury, let the instructor know or stop doing that particular activity.
How is it not true? The art is not at fault, it is up to the teacher and the practitioner to avoid the injury.TigerWoman said:Have to disagree, since that is not entirely true. Once you get bad knees, little cartilage or no cartilage left, they don't track as well. So then ligaments get stretched, hamstrings get injured. I've gotten to the point with even shuffling movements side to side, or back stance into back stance, the twisting hurts the ligaments. In Taekwondo, its mostly about the jumping too. We practice it all the time so that leaves me out lately. Anything with impact hurts knees with no cartilage. So, I either make up my own workout or leave because I can't participate. TW
There can be, depending on your level. There is also a proper way to jump and to land to minimize injury.TigerWoman said:Taekwondo is an art with alot of jumping, no way around it.
This is your experience, at your school. Not everyone who does TKD does their aerobic activity this way.That's how we get into cardio workout.
I do this with my Kenpo students. Before they get to that point, though, I make sure they are taught the proper mechanics of everything they do. They do not need to make the same mistakes I made and wind up with joints like mine.Hey we do front round side, ax, crescents on the floor, that's the warmup then comes the jumping.
Again, in and of itself, not damaging.To get to the advanced technique and to practice it, spinning and jumping is a part of it.
]You are not differentiating between high impact and low impact. If someone is taught the proper way to do these from correctly formed stances, the impact is minimal. The knees are like shock absorbers, heavy impact on them is bad. Regulate or reduce the impact and they can handle the stress.Even hopping and shuffling side to side is impact on knees. Twisting is impact on knees.
Twisting is not unique to TKD or any art. It is common.There is a lot of twisting in TKD.
He doesn't have to do either. What he should do, in my informed opinion, is have those that can do and have those that cannot, do what they can. No matter who you are, or which art you are doing, there are things that will be beyond your personal limitations. My wife has a cage in her back, she does not jump. Does this mean she cannot progress? No, that's just silly. If I have my upper belts doing jumps, and she cannot do them, I have her do the technique as a non aerial.So does my instructor make the whole class suit me or does he suit the majority of the class?
If you have a physical limitation, then yes; that is exactly what you should do. If doing something is going to harm you or cause further injury, than doing it is just foolish.Do I always have to do a "on the floor" exercise like just more front kicks when everyone else is progressing to jump front?
That is absurd, the art is exactly what you are doing. Not being able to do one aspect of an art does not mean you are not doing the art. I had an instructor whose eyesight was so bad, he literally could only see six inches away. He did not do flying kicks; but he could fight with the best. He taught me to do things he himself could not do, because he could explain them, that is the job of a black belt, to teach.Well, this is what I have been doing since Sept. but the "art" is not what I am doing.
That is your opinion. It sounds to me like you are limiting yourself in a physically positive way but in a mentally negative way.I am just doing exercise.
Rubbish. If your instructor insists you do something beyond your physical limitations and that if you cannot you are not progressing in the art then either your teacher doesn't know what he's doing or doesn't care about his students. I sincerely hope I am misunderstanding you.My bad knees whether controlled by me or my instructor cannot let me progress in the "art".
In the 14 years I spent in TKD, I never once had an instructor insist I jump a certain distance or a certain height. All he/she ever cared about was, "Does he have the mechanics, can he pass it on?"I can't even maintain a level without jumping.
True in most areas of study.In this art you lose what you don't practice.
I would like to see you ammend that statement to "for beginners." I left TKD because I don't like Korean politics. The real issue with TKD and it's problems with people's joints is not the art, but how it is taught. I go back to my original statement, that a good teacher can help you either over come,work around, or compensate for limitations.I hope I have explained better that this one art, Taekwondo, I do know, does not fit for bad knees. TW
This way is not the only way we do aerobic activity but TKD is always jumping, hopping at the minimum. This is not the only organization I have seen which does considerable jumping. One other organization expects tumbling also, hahahaha from a 55 yr. old. And they have a cement floor with a few old mats.Seig said:There can be, depending on your level. There is also a proper way to jump and to land to minimize injury.This is your experience, at your school. Not everyone who does TKD does their aerobic activity this way.
The knees are like shock absorbers, heavy impact on them is bad. Regulate or reduce the impact and they can handle the stress.