Originally posted by Aegis
ARK: you may as well give up trying to clear your name. Especially from here. There are too many seemingly fraudulent claims that you yourself have made or that other people associated with you have made. Your resignation from e-budo didn't exactly help, and you can hardly criticise them for talking about you behind your back when you went over there and started them talking about you. Besides, any time you put content up on the internet, you are inviting criticism. A lot of people in the Baffling/Bad budo section on that site are not present, yet their claims are discussed with no less vigour than your own. If you can't deal with this criticism, then take down the site and stop making ANY claims at all.
The fact is that they have made a lot of well structured arguments there. Without anyone there to argue against them, you are going to lose the discussion.
Aegis,
I will not stop responding to attacks on my character, training or credentials. You believe they have constructed a well structured arguement against me? I disagree. Their argument is based on speculation, fantasy, fabrication and the twisting of the truth.
I resigned from e-budo because I saw no further point in arguing with Mr. Roley. His mind is made up, based on nothing substantial, but made up none the less. I believed that nothing positive was to come out of futher posting in the KYHA thread. However, Mr. Roley has now begun a thead directly against me. I am in the process of reactivating my account on e-budo to refute his baseless allegations.
This will be the post I submit there, I have edited out two names because they are no longer affiliated with MT. I have kept Mr. Roley's name in the post as I believe he is still a member here and is free to post a rebuttle if he choses to. The reason I post this here as well is that I feel it appropriately counters their 'well structured arguements'...
I have chosen to re-register with this site with the express purpose of refuting the inconsistencies and fabrications of Mr. Don Roley and Mr. XXXX. First off lets take a look at some of the fabrications Mr. Roley has chosen to put in this thread.
Mr. Roley statedÂ…
“The W.I.F. is the site it is taken from, the world Idolkwan Federation, headed by Brent Fuller.”
This is incorrect. The WIF was founded and is headed by Mr. Andrew Davies of Great Britain. Mr. Davies is a 6th Dan with the Kukkiwon.
Mr. Roley then statedÂ…
“Stern gave Shultz some rank that Schultz then used to fluff up his resume and impress others.”
This is incorrect. Mr. Stern holds no rank in any discipline that I have trained in and therefore could not issue me any rank other than an honorary rank in his own discipline, which he has not. The Dong Koo certificate was part of my KYHA package. However it is nothing more than recognition of my rank in Pangainoon [which we will discuss in great detail later]. I did not need the Dong Koo cert, but it was included anyway. My reason for joining KYHA, as I have said previously, was to network with other martial artists worldwide in regards to training concept.
Therefore Mr. RoleyÂ’s statement that Mr. Stern gave me rank is a fabrication.
Mr. Roley then statedÂ…
“Schultz has been presented with some pretty convincing evidence that this rank is bogus”
This is incorrect. Mr. Roley has been shown to bend or twist the truth to his own means or he has outright stated fabrications. Since he has been caught in his own lies, I see no reason to believe his latest tall tale. Roley’s ‘pretty convincing evidence’ might just be the latest of his cons. Lets take a closer look at how he has done this, as well as the fabrications of Mr. XXXX
First off, lets take a close look at Mr. XXXX's bogus claims. By the way XXXX, IÂ’m glad you decided to resurface, you have much to answer for.
Mr. XXXX pretty much dug his own grave on this board though with posts such as… [in the thread “An interesting phone call today” dated 4.27.03 on MT]
“I decided to settle an argument that was on another thread that was just closed.
The basic argument was whether a certain member of this BBs was really an 8th Dan in Pangainoon.
I made a phone call to Pangainoon Honbu Dojo in Okinawa to investigate.
The first question I asked was if they new of the afore mentioned member of this board.
Me: “Do you have an American 8th Dan in your Pangainoon system named xxxxx xxxxxxx or have you ever heard of him?”
Pangainoon Honbu: “No, he is not an 8th Dan member of our organization and no we have never heard of him.”
Me: “I see. Is there anyone in the Pangainoon system America or the West that could promote someone to an 8th Dan?”
Pangainoon Honbu: “No, we are a rather small organization and have no members abroad that could do that. All testing for that grade would have to take place here in Okinawa.”
Lets take a long, hard look at what Mr. XXXX is actually shoveling in his post. Here is the link for those that would like to do more in-depth research..
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=7667&highlight=phone+call
First ..
"Do you have an American 8th Dan in your Pangainoon system named xxxxx xxxxxxx or have you ever heard of him?"
Which Pangainoon system is this Mr. XXXX? Is it Pangainoon? Or Pangainoon-Ryu or maybe Pangainoon Jujutsu or Pangainoon Kempo? Is it the Pangainoon offshoot that I informed you I trained in? Your question is not a legitimate question.
They even told you [allegedly] that “No, we are a rather small organization and have no members abroad that could do that” Did you even understand the lie that you trapped yourself into Mr. XXXX? They are ‘a rather small organization’ yet in email communication you informed me that they are the ‘world HQ’ for Pangainoon and to be legitimate I would have to be a member. So they are a ‘world HQ’ that you claimed governed Pangainoon yet posted they are really just ‘a small organization’. Which is it Mr. XXX? But really, your response to this question is immaterial as your whole premise is severely flawed. Here’s why…
I have a 4th Dan in TKD. I am not registered with the Kukkiwon in Korea, yet I was trained by a Kukkiwon registered Master according to Kukkiwon standards. Therefore my Dan in TKD is legitimate and valid despite not being registered with Kukkiwon. I posted on Marital Talk the following commentÂ…
“Yet another poster, who is no longer on this board, once told me my Dan was not legitimate because I was not registered with the WTF. According to him, if anyone's TKD was not WTF TKD...then it wasn't TKD at all. With all due respect, I beg to differ.”
The poster that objected to my Dan was YYYY, who is a member of this site. In response to my post I received wonderful support..
“Anybody who would post such an asinine statement, or believes such nonsense is ignorant IMHO.
I received my Dan rank through the WTF-Kukkiwon, but so what, I'm well aware that we aren't the only TKD game in town.
One certainly DOES NOT need to be Kukkiwon Dan certified to be a legit. worthy BB. I know, I've seen my share of non-WTF affiliated TKD practitioners and some of them are pretty damn good and polished MAtists... by Cali_TKDbruin who is a registered Dan holder with the Kukkiwon.
AndÂ…
“This person did not know what they are talking about.
In fact, Yee, Yong Woo did not have a WTF Dan, until one was presented to him... I don't think he even claims it, yet he is one of the Founders of TKD. He founded JungDoKwan and currently serves as head of the KKW high Dan promotions committee.
If you want to compete in KKW events, then YES you must have a KKW certification. If you have no desire to compete, then I fail to see how a Kukkiwon would help you, unless you intend to use it as a "quality" standard. If that is the case, it is important to note, that KKW has not been certified by any governmental agency, nor the ISO, for quality. In other words, they have not met the standards for Quality certification. Unless you are a quality professional you may not get what I am alluding to, but it is important.” By Mr. Frank Clay who is a registered Kukkiwon Master.
So the point is that one does not need to belong to any organization in order to be legitimately trained. A point that seems to be lost on Mr. Roley and Mr. XXXX.
Another point is that I have repeatedly stated I have trained in this discipline offshoot for thirty-one years. How much rank could one reasonably expect to obtain in three decades of training or longer?
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9811
This thread by another poster asked the question of how long it should take to obtain a 6th Dan in general. The answers varied from twelve to twenty-four years. So is an 8th Dan in thirty-one years unreasonable? Of course it isnÂ’t. Yet Mr. Roley and Mr. XXXX seem to have a major problem with it. Yet Mr. Roley has used the comments of a Mr. Joseph Connolly to support several of his agendaÂ’s against people. But Mr. Connolly hasÂ…
Hapkido - 6th Dan
9th Dan in Kodokan Judo
9th Dan in the Oriental martial art of Judo
8th Dan in Aki Jujutsu
Tang Soo Do - 6th Dan
7th Dan in Taekwondo
5th Dan in Karate-do
http://www.usmaf.org/bio/connolly/
So two 9th Dan, an 8th Dan, a 7th Dan, two 6th Dans and one 5th Dan in one lifetime are ok but my one 8th in Pangainoon is not ok??? My question is with all of this high rank, when did Mr. Connolly have time to change his underwear? Mr. Roley has some very selective viewpoints to say the least. I think Mr. Roley and Mr. XXXX would lose their minds if I posted the same crap as Mr. Connolly, but since Mr. Connolly supports their agendaÂ…itÂ’s okay.
All of the above is solid and factual, despite the fact they have been ignoring it for months. And effectively shuts down their biased and arrogant statements….BUT there is one thing more. The organization in Okinawa that Mr. XXXX claimed to talk to seems to exist only one place…in his mind. It appears to be a figment of his imagination that Mr. Roley seems content to propagate to support his own agenda. I have asked repeatedly for information on this alleged organization from Mr. XXXX in emails, PM’s and on the board. He always ducks and dodges the question. Surely a ‘world HQ’s’ would have a website or an email address. Even a postal address. How about the phone number Mr. XXXX allegedly called? I have searched the internet pretty thoroughly and have never found a website for this alleged organization nor a link nor even a mention. How can I be a member of an organization that only exists in Mr. XXXX’s fantasy world? And even if by some stretch it does exist…I have shown that it is meaningless in regards to my legitimacy anyway.
And Mr. XXXX knows this, so he has tried to change is tactics.
“I suppose asking him to post or email a copy of these ranks would be too much to ask.”
He tried this line on Martial Talk. But would Mr. XXXX know what my discipline certificate looks like? Since it isnÂ’t affiliated with any Asian organization [because their isnÂ’t one] it is a discipline certificate. Since Mr. XXXX isnÂ’t in the discipline of Pangainoon, how would he be able to judge anything by it? If I did post certificates his tact would be to merely scream that I made them up. So there is no point in posting anything, he will never accept them anyway because to accept them means he will have to admit he was wrong in attacking me.
Perhaps if I had a plethora of high Dans like Mr. Connolly I would somehow be more acceptable to them than just having the one 8th in Pangainoon.
Mr. Roley has now tried to attack both of the organizations that I have begun, namely the Guild for Martial Arts Standard and Training and the International League of Martial Arts Masters.
Mr. XXXX also stated that through these organizations I ‘sell’ rank. So my question is to both of these gentlemen is ‘What rank do I sell, who have I sold it to, how much have I charged and in what disciplines have I sold it? I can’t wait to hear the answers. Mainly because their charge is a fabrication. I have never sold a rank. I don’t even charge my students a testing fee in my own discipline.
Lets take a look at both.
The GMAST has been attacked, mainly because I’ve been asked to supply certificates to show it is a charitable organization. I have not…because I have never claimed that it is. It is a Dan registry as well as a network of Instructors assisting those in their respective disciplines in testing procedures. This was explained in full on our website, and will be again when I get it back up and running. Any testing fees were asked to be sent to the student’s choice of charity or the instructor’s choice of charity in lieu of the money coming to us or the instructor. In this way no one can ever claim we ‘sell’ rank. We don’t see a penny of the fee, in fact I have spent money out of my own pocket to mail packets to members. People who wish to become a member and be listed on the registry go through the same procedure of choosing their own charity as way of membership fee.
The ILMAM is an invitation only organization that has no fee whatsoever, nor does it issue rank in anyway. It is a fellowship of Maists worldwide of 4th Dan or higher.
That sums it up for now.
), convicted fraud Jack Stern. Then it gets to ARK's own credential (claims of credential) plus a whole lot of BS. I didn't care to read 9 pages of the whole BS. Hey...But it is your time! 
