Ameliorating Knife Crime

[Wing Woo Gar71 32]

California has some kooky knife laws. I can carry a sword if I want but a switchblade can only be transported in the trunk of a car. Shuriken is a completely prohibited item. Until recently nunchaku was a prohibited item as well…it’s odd that I can get a concealed weapon permit for a firearm but can’t carry a switchblade knife.

 

[Gyakuto137 146]

And Scandinavians also are allowed to have knives and firearms without much trouble or violence.

They’re civilised and not pretend cowboys

 

[Prince_Alarming74 10]

You have to remember that they are countries with small populations and a lot of oil. Yes, they're socially very advanced but a lot of the developments that make such advancement possible are themselves possible only under conditions of extraordinary prosperity and stability. The same thing might not work elsewhere. So yeah, weapon control. Some is needed.

 

[Anarax]

Do baseball and cricket bats need to be as heavy as they are? Do car manufacturers need to make vehicles that heavy and fast? Do nails really need a sharp point? Why are wood axes so heavy and scary?. I really hope a rich out of touch actor can answer these questions for me, so I can go about my peasant life. Please Idris, I need your guidance!!!

 

[Wing Woo Gar71 32]

You have to remember that they are countries with small populations and a lot of oil. Yes, they're socially very advanced but a lot of the developments that make such advancement possible are themselves possible only under conditions of extraordinary prosperity and stability. The same thing might not work elsewhere. So yeah, weapon control. Some is needed.

The question is always how much and who decides for who

 

[Prince_Alarming74 10]

The question is always how much and who decides for who

Oh, sure. But how many of us would support putting a uzi in the hands of a nine year old? If a decision is going to be made, it should at least be a democratic decision, ideally with a certain amount of consultation and subject to ongoing review.

 

[Wing Woo Gar71 32]

Oh, sure. But how many of us would support putting a uzi in the hands of a nine year old? If a decision is going to be made, it should at least be a democratic decision, ideally with a certain amount of consultation and subject to ongoing review.

Sure. That’s an easy thing to agree to and makes every common sense.

 

[Prince_Alarming74 10]

So.... you'd agree that the government would be the ideal body to decide?. Cool. Now... as to how much? Wierdly enough, the people best placed to decide are probably responsible gun/knife owners. Most of us, including me, don't really know enough about these weapons to give guidance. I'm pretty sure in my own mind that blunted kitchen knives are just a gimmick though. Fairly sure I could stab somebody with one despite the blunted end and in any case one can do a lot of damage with the actual bladey bit

 

[Wing Woo Gar71 32]

So.... you'd agree that the government would be the ideal body to decide?. Cool. Now... as to how much? Wierdly enough, the people best placed to decide are probably responsible gun/knife owners. Most of us, including me, don't really know enough about these weapons to give guidance. I'm pretty sure in my own mind that blunted kitchen knives are just a gimmick though. Fairly sure I could stab somebody with one despite the blunted end and in any case one can do a lot of damage with the actual bladey bit

A rock or stick is plenty to commit a violent act. My government is clearly not even responsible enough to manage a budget. I do not agree they should be allowed to decide on my personal defense or my freedom on the whole. We have a rampantly corrupt leadership currently off the rails on multiple levels.

 

[Prince_Alarming74 10]

You make a fair point- your current government in particular is clearly not competent to do the job. What about some sort of independent body?

 

[Prince_Alarming74 10]

Fiddlestick it, this is a thorny one

 

[Wing Woo Gar71 32]

Fiddlestick it, this is a thorny one

I favor starting with required education and demonstration of sound and safe ability to operate any dangerous device in question. We already have very stiff penalties for abusers of weapons which generally also includes losing the right to possess. It’s a slippery slope.

 

[Gyakuto137 146]

Sorry, a personal bugbear…

How to Identify and Avoid the Slippery Slope Fallacy

You can do various things to identify and avoid the slippery slope fallacy when it is being used by others. These include:

• Call out a lack of evidence that one small thing will lead to a big thing. Look at arguments that claim one thing will inevitably lead to another. These arguments usually do not provide evidence [or provide evidence] that is unrelated to outcome.

• Examine the transition between the start and end points of the slope and realize the outcome is not inevitable. When considering the impact of an original event, consider intervening factors that may alter the course proposed by the argument.

• Think about how realistic the arguments are. Consider whether the claimed occurrences between the original event and the outcome are realistic and/or likely given the context.

• Look at what the people making the argument get out of it. The slippery slope fallacy is used most often by people who have something to gain by it. So look at the flow of money and power.

Furthermore, in many instances, people will actually use the phrase 'slippery slope' when using this fallacy. If someone uses the phrase it’s a slippery slope, be sure to listen carefully to their argument and challenge it if need be.

 

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