Why do Japanese arts use the Japanese language?

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  1. Kung Fu Wang

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    The Judo throw "Osoto Gari — Large Outer Reap" is called

    - Cut in ACSCA.
    - Chop in USSA.

    The Chinese term is "Qie".

    Which way is better? You either have to force your students to learn a foreign language, or you have to live with the confusion.
     
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  2. Xue Sheng

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    Is that the Cantonese for 葉問?
     
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    I don't speak Cantonese. I just pronounce 葉問 in Chinese.

    One of my UT professor's last name is 葉. He uses Yeh instead. But sometime people use Ye also.

    Dr. Raymond T. Yeh
     
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    If you go to Korea to study Taekwondo, you’d better understand the Korean terms, be really good at watching and copying other students, or attend one of the few dojang that cater to foreign students.

    Kukkiwon testing is also conducted 100% in Korean. When I tested for my 4th dan even my written test was given to me in Korean.


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    I've seen videos of the Master Instructor course that were done in English.
     
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    They offer an instructor course for foreigners. I attended back in 2013. Typical events are conducted in Korean.


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    I like to use the general terms and I don't like to use the style only terms. IMO, it's much easier to understand:

    - jab, cross than front hand punch, back hand punch.
    - single leg than knee (or leg) seize.
    - head lock than neck surrounding.
    - ...

    So my long fist system does use jab/cross. As long as I start to use it, who cares?
     
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    What happens when a student travels to another country where they speak another language, to attend University? If they don’t speak the language yet, they learn it.
     
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    True, but doesn't that happen in the beginning regardless of where you train?
     
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    We use quite a lot of Korean terminology in class. I never really thought about it a great deal on the forum. I try to use it when appropriate but by no means am I conversant Korean. Our GM speaks pretty good English but still has a strong accent and uses Korean words when the English equivalent does not come to mind. I rather like it because it helps you learn how the words are used in conversation.
    It is not a required skill in class or for promotion. I do push our BB's to learn at least the body/strike/stance/kick phrases.

    A drill I really enjoy doing is to line up the class and do walking drills up/down the floor changing the Korean command in a random fashion. Really works the noggin.
     
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    I agree 100%. Just to add something to using French in fencing, like using Japanese in karate, or even using English terminology in Japanese baseball: Some words/concepts are just hard to precisely translate, but also, using the more or less original language helps the activity retain and remind us of its roots, its history and its traditions.
     
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    My wife is American. She doesn't like to go with me to my high school reunion because Chinese language is always used in those meeting.

    IMO, it's impolite to speak in Chinese when there are American present and every Chinese all speak in English.

    When I travel in Europe, I found something very interested.

    - some French people pretend they don't speak English even if they do.
    - some Italian people pretend they speak English even if they don't.
     
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    Had to check with the wife, that is Mandarin, ye wen. It must be the Cantonese that is Ip Man then.
     
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    Now that's comical and incorrect.
    Grammer is a name or a place therefore being a proper noun it is capitalized however, it isn't about language. The term grammar is about language.
     
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    found something similar in Beijing
    - some Beijingren pretend they don't speak English even if they do.
    - some Mongolians pretend they speak English even if they don't.
    :D
     
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    Japanese arts are big on using Japanese termology, mostly because when you learn Japanese martial arts it is taught to some extent in Japanese. In some cases, some teachers even try to adapt Japanese mannerism when teaching, it is in keeping with the Wa 和 or balance of the the school. Japanese arts are very codified, rigid could be another reason why the overlap of using Japanese terms more than other arts. In some cases the Japanese words have a symbolic meaning rather than an actual translation like bird step, giant rock drop, etc.
     
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    in the context he used it, ie English Grammer, it's the definite article and so should be capitalised. theres only one English Grammer.

    the same way mother is not capitalised unless your talking about your own Mother then it is, as it's now a proper noun
     
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    I heard of a school in Northern Virginia that taught TKD using korean terminology. Most I have seen use english terminology. My Hapkido GM in Korea used English when teaching american students, and Korean in his off post schools.
     
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    But grammar, as in the grammatical language rules, isn't spelled with an E, so it's a different word to start with.

    Also, that rule of capitalisation doesn't count unless you're using "English Grammar" as a noun or as a title.



    Edit: You'll have to clarify which grammar/Grammer you're actually trying to discuss here by the way.
     
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    lesson to the referee
     
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