What exactly is atheism? (offshoot of same sex thread)
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I've never had an atheist mock my beliefs, nor taunt me, nor throw stones at me nor try to convert me. Perhaps if there were a few more atheists around we might have a better world.
Atheists don't send missionaries around the world, don't go on crusades, have Inquistions nor pogroms. they make think that those of us who have a belief are daft which is fine at least they don't kill us for our beliefs.
Atheists don't send missionaries around the world, don't go on crusades, have Inquistions nor pogroms. they make think that those of us who have a belief are daft which is fine at least they don't kill us for our beliefs.
lol, written by someone who knew nothing.
oftheherd1
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I think you have a lot of hate for Christians. But of course your definition of a Christian and my definition of a Christian are probably quite different.
Of course there is. But it does not say go out and force anyone to be a believer in Jesus Christ.
Well, I can have it any way my belief leads me after reading the Old and New Testaments. Evidently you and I understand the Old Testament differently. So be it.
Sadly, too many 'protestant' churches no longer follow the King James Bible, but one of the newer translations based on Hort and Wescott.
Apparently you are not aware that the translators of the King James relied mostly on the Textus Receptus, but also on Tynsdale's translations. They were aware of the Catholic Bible, the Geneva Bible, and others, including the peshitta.
What Christians have you known?
I am aware of them. Who raised the crusaders and dispatched them?
If they are doing it in a way that does not comport with the teachings of Christ, they would be wrong.
The main reason I lumped all these together is just to show what seems to happen in these threads. No one wants to define what a Christian is, but rather to lump all people who call themselves Christians together. That leaves no room to show that some who call themselves Christian, are not acting like Christians as shown in the Bible. Rather, everyone wants to say that anyone who calls themselves Christian but doesn't live according to the Bible, is representative of all Christians.
Hey if you all are correct in what you believe, wonderful for you. I don't see that I will have any good or bad things different from you. However, if I am correct wonderful for me, but not for you. We all have choices.
I am not how you wish to portray me. You don't know my lifestyle, you don't know if I live by what the Bible teaches or not. And if not, how far I stray or how closely I get to it. Yet you seem to want to show all Christians as monsters, and by association, me and any other person who strives to follow the teachings of Christ as shown in the Bible.
What is a sad to me, is that apparently you have not met anyone who really tries to live by what the Bible teaches. That is a shame.
Go for it guys. I am done with this.
My post back a few was in agreement. People are what I believe in, not the constitution. That's up to the individual.
You'll find that there had been a few of us sharing honestly in this thread, and some just dropping in one liners to incite.
The comment about evangelicalism wasn't a dig, I was curious if people are taught to go out and spread the word, a phrase commonly used. Or is it only some groups that do it.
I think there had been some
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I'm not sure what the bacon means?
What I should have asked here is, what does being an atheist have to do with Obamacare, abortion, homosexuality and politics?
Well I have met many good people that were Christians. I think when posting, it's hard to express in typed words, and text can be messy. Unfortunately, when people are trying to make a point, we all tend to use the most extream or shocking end of the spectrum to get the desired reaction across. I have much respect for spiritual people of faith who have strong resolve. I once worked with a team of Christians (the reason I single out Christians is because it was a Christian organisation) who went in to save\assist women from violent domestic relationships, they would physically put themselves on the line to protect mothers and their children. I was amazed at their bravery and ability to handle situations many times. They told me it was their faith in god to protect them, I never doubted it.
Maybe I don't balance things out as much as I think I do when writing things up.
All measures of intelligence correlate positively with both atheism and liberalism.
It does mean ignoring the more hateful teachings of their alleged religion, of course.
celtic_crippler
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Because you're atehist and a liberal, right? ROFL
Okay. Please cite a passage from the New Testament that "teaches" hate.
I don't hate 'Christians' at all, so please don't patronise me.
The Old Testament is Jewish, it's written as I've said by Jews, about Jews and for Jews, that someone chooses to see it as being something else I can't help but they are wrong. It's like me insisting that the American Constitution is something specifically Danish, nothing to do with America and that you've read it all wrong anyway but I'm correct. It simply isn't true. Especially when you pick and choose which bits of it you will believe.
When you talk about the King James Bible I think you forget that it's not specially a Christian thing, it's about British history so it's something, having studied it, I actually know about. However like the Old Testament it's ingrained in you to believe you are right about it. You won't believe anything I can cite as you can't bring yourself to believe what I say about the Old Testament.
As for the definition of Christians we can only go on what people tell us about themselves, if they say they are Christians are we to challenge them because it isn't how you say it should be? I don't see all Christians as being the same but I do see ones that are causing damage to not just non Christians but to other Christians as well.
As for the Crusades, it is actually relevant to today as many Muslims still hold Christianity and with it the West for the appalling bloodshed of their people. You may think it's just history but it laid the foundations for what was to come, the Inqusition, the Holocaust and the hatred of non Christians. America is a modern country, it moves quickly into the future, it's people look forward not back, in the Old World, time moves slower, even in my part of the world the Vikings could come back and find not so much changed, the country is eternal and so it is with history handed down from generation to generation so the Crusades don't seem so far away to us as maybe you think they are.
Some Christians have thought about the Crusades and their legacy though.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm
The Old Testament is Jewish, it's written as I've said by Jews, about Jews and for Jews, that someone chooses to see it as being something else I can't help but they are wrong. It's like me insisting that the American Constitution is something specifically Danish, nothing to do with America and that you've read it all wrong anyway but I'm correct. It simply isn't true. Especially when you pick and choose which bits of it you will believe.
When you talk about the King James Bible I think you forget that it's not specially a Christian thing, it's about British history so it's something, having studied it, I actually know about. However like the Old Testament it's ingrained in you to believe you are right about it. You won't believe anything I can cite as you can't bring yourself to believe what I say about the Old Testament.
As for the definition of Christians we can only go on what people tell us about themselves, if they say they are Christians are we to challenge them because it isn't how you say it should be? I don't see all Christians as being the same but I do see ones that are causing damage to not just non Christians but to other Christians as well.
As for the Crusades, it is actually relevant to today as many Muslims still hold Christianity and with it the West for the appalling bloodshed of their people. You may think it's just history but it laid the foundations for what was to come, the Inqusition, the Holocaust and the hatred of non Christians. America is a modern country, it moves quickly into the future, it's people look forward not back, in the Old World, time moves slower, even in my part of the world the Vikings could come back and find not so much changed, the country is eternal and so it is with history handed down from generation to generation so the Crusades don't seem so far away to us as maybe you think they are.
Some Christians have thought about the Crusades and their legacy though.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm
By liberalism, the researchers meant classical liberalism, not the much more authoritarian version in America's faux left, correct?
I would think so certainly.
Ok, my problem is I don't get all the reference to political posturing. When I ask what has it got to do with it, its because I have no idea what your talking about, or the relevance.
In short atheism is a religion of people who, by and large, think they are smarter than anyone and everyone who is religious.
They have their evangelists, Michael Newdow, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Penn Jillette, of the four, only Jillette is honest enough to state plainly why he will never attack Islam the way he does other religions, i.e.,
They have their evangelists, Michael Newdow, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Penn Jillette, of the four, only Jillette is honest enough to state plainly why he will never attack Islam the way he does other religions, i.e.,
The zealous fervor that they hate religions and those who practice them is no less ugly than the Nazis killing Jews by the numbers during WWII.
You should be learning from these smart people. But you can only lead a horse to water.
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celtic_crippler
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Okay, buddy... what don't you understand?
Let's go with the basics until you present a specific question.
It's not always the case, but in general Christians tend to be conservative and align themselves with Repbublicans or more recently the Tea Party. If you understand the Christian concept of being a "good steward of one's money" this makes absolute sense. They see themselves as moral which makes them correct because they are on the side of "Right".
It's not always the case, but in general Atheists tend to be liberal (modern definition) and align themselves with Democrats. They tend to see themselves as intellectuals which gives them justification for being correct because they are on the side of "Science."
History is rife with examples of tyrants using "beliefs" to their advantage to garner support and bring numbers to "their side." Even today, people's beliefs are exploited for political gain. So, you see... you can not separate "religion" from "politics".
As for me and mine? Libertarians don't give a rat's patoot what you believe in as long as you don't try to legislate it onto others. Perhaps that's why we number the fewest. We aren't trying to force anything down anyone's throat.
celtic_crippler
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Now who's being judgemental?
Ok, thanks for clarification. Is this your opinion, or is this common knowledge?
Well generally science is based on facts and evidence. People have a hard time accepting these things if they are trying to sell you snake oil. But is skeptical in nature, don't think atheism is science driven.
I just get lost in comments that turn to politics and miss the significance.
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