I think competition is good. I think having the AAU program as an alternative can only help USAT in the long run. I like the fact that people have a choice of organizations, that the threat of "if you don't treat us right, we will move to AAU" is hopefully always there. Keeps USAT on its toes. I hope that AAU feels the same way, that if there are significant changes at USAT, then they will have to up their game in order to remain competitive with USAT. So I don't think we need to put aside the USAT/AAU rivalry and figure out a way to work together. On the contrary, I think we need to keep that rivalry going.
USOC Slaps Down USAT- Link to Ruling
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I think competition is good. I think having the AAU program as an alternative can only help USAT in the long run. I like the fact that people have a choice of organizations, that the threat of "if you don't treat us right, we will move to AAU" is hopefully always there. Keeps USAT on its toes. I hope that AAU feels the same way, that if there are significant changes at USAT, then they will have to up their game in order to remain competitive with USAT. So I don't think we need to put aside the USAT/AAU rivalry and figure out a way to work together. On the contrary, I think we need to keep that rivalry going.
No problem. Those types can stay away. We do not want people who are still smarting from a feeling of being used. Their negative attitudes are as unwelcome as their presence would be.
I don't know what purpose it serves to be saying these types of things. It adds nothing to the discussion. Nothing will be unanimous. Fair representation does not mean everyone has to agree. Democracy doesn't work that way. There will always people who disagree, there will always be people pointing fingers making accusations. That is a given. I think that some of that is a good thing. I want people to fight for state association elections, at national elections. The job of the next administration is to make sure such battles are won fairly, and if people violate our election rules, that there are consequences for such behavior.
We don't need a messiah. We need someone with the experience and leadership ability to take us where we need to go. To me, there really is only one person for the job, GM John Holloway. He understands from personal experience and knowledge the strengths and weaknesses of the USTU and USAT approaches and also what has to be done to work through the organization's current challenges. I think he is the only one who can pull it off, and I sincerely hope he gets his chance.
he'd have my vote. only question, is that really a possibility or even a consideration? I know he was running for Referee chair or at least trying before all this mess...
yes, he is still a candidate for the board and will be a candidate, no matter what the remedy imposed by the USOC will be.
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
i dont see why any of you cares
its getting kicked out of the olympics
when that happens, the whole ball of wax falls apart because you are all set up to cater to that ONE thing. If I was in any of yours shoes, i would be lookign for an ITF school or something NON WTF to latch myself onto
its getting kicked out of the olympics
when that happens, the whole ball of wax falls apart because you are all set up to cater to that ONE thing. If I was in any of yours shoes, i would be lookign for an ITF school or something NON WTF to latch myself onto
maybe. we'll see.
actually that is not true, "we" don't cater to one thing. even if we are out of the olympics, there is still world championships, pan am games, world university games, etc. In short, it will be like it was prior to the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games.
Puunui....that would be a productive rivalry...competition is good...i don't think that is what we have right now but I like you welcome healthy competition...that is how I make my living...that is great for our sport
We also compete in NKF/WKF Karate. It is a great sport also. We compete in WTF TKD because we like it not because it is in the OLympics.
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
so without the olympics you would still do it?
mastercole
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Current Taekwondo schedule, minus the London Games
Current Tae Kwon Do schedule, minus all the above events ( humorous comparison
| Feb 9-11 | Manama, Bahrain | 4th Bahrain Open |
| Feb 21-24 | Las Vegas, USA | 2012 US Open |
| Mar 3-4 | Hamburg, Germany | German Open 2012 |
| April 4-8 | Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt | 9th WTF World Junior Taekwondo Championships |
| May 3-6 | Manchester, UK | 20th European Senior Taekwondo Championships |
| May 4 | HCMC, Vietnam | 2nd Asian Taekwondo Poomsae Championships |
| May 4 | HCMC, Vietnam | 1st Asian Junior Taekwondo Poomsae Championships |
| May 5-6 | HCMC, Vietnam | 6th Asian Junior Taekwondo Championships |
| May 7-8 | HCMC, Vietnam | 20th Asian Taekwondo Championships |
| May 20-25 | Quebec City, Canada | 2012 Sportaccord Convention |
| May 25-30 | Pocheon, Korea | 2012 World University Taekwondo Championships |
| Jul 19-23 | Alexandria, Egypt | 5th Alexandria International Open |
| Nov 22 | Santa Cruz, Aruba | 3rd WTF World Para-Taekwondo Championships |
| Nov 23-25 | Santa Cruz, Aruba | 2012 WTF World Cup Taekwondo Team Championships |
| Dec 6-9 | Medellin, Colombia | 7th WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships |
Current Tae Kwon Do schedule, minus all the above events ( humorous comparison
| Feb 7 | Rubb, Montana | Jims Tae Kwon Do invi-tay-tion-al |
| Feb 31 | Bucket, Georgia | 2012 Backyard Dojo Championships |
| Mar 7 | Podunk, Texas | Budweiser Tae Kwon Do Throw-down |
| April 8 | Coalmont, Tennessee | Bluegrass Tae Kwon Do Championships |
| May 20-21 | Blue Moon, Kentucky | Jethros Tai Kwan Doe Hootenanny |
| May 23 | Boone, North Carolina | Fighten Mad Championships |
| May 24 | Boone, North Carolina | Ricky Bobbys World Tae Kwon Do Championships |
| May 25 | Boone, North Carolina | Tae Kwon Do Senseis Education Seminar |
| May 30 | Little Rock, Arkansas | Oak Ridge Mountain Tae Kwon Do Jubilee |
| June 2 | Podunk, Texas | Miller Time Tae Kwon Do jamboree |
| June 12 | Pocheon, Korea | Whurs taht at? Championships |
| Jul 4 | Richmond, VA | Pickn & a Grinnin Tae Kwon Do thangy |
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
i would go to a pickin and grinning championship
Yes...tkd/sport tkd is a life long passion as well as Shotokan Karate/Sport Karate!
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
thats everyone's sales pitch though
"You could go to the olympics"
"You could go to the olympics"
of course.
It's not my pitch. In most taekwondo schools, competition is de-emphasized. I asked some of my friends who run very large commercial dojang and they all say that having taekwondo out of the olympics would not affect them. they hear the types of criticism that you like to regularly voice with regard to taekwondo, and they all laugh, all the way to the bank.
Really? Isn't the budwiser throw down and miller time jamboree closer to your house?
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
yeah but i dont drink
Going to the Olympics is highly unlikely! Many parents buy into that one! It is true (you can go) but the guy/girl selling you that dream is not going to be the one to get you there.
Anyone with any credibility does not sell it that way. TKD has much more to offer than just the Olympics. It takes years of training everyday (4-8hrs) just to put yourself in a position to go to the Olympics and then your chances of making it
are slim. If you want to go to the Olympics be ready to dedicate your life to it. Even if you have the dedication you still may not go.
If you are willing to make that sacrifice and work that hard you will be a success in anything that you do.
That is why my kids train so hard because in the end they no that it will lead to a successful life.
Going to the World Championships sounds like impossibility too but I have been lucky to do that 4 times. Believe me if I can do it, when there are so many talented US athletes out there, anyone can. It is so easy to look at all of the negative aspects of taekwondo, usually pointed out by those who are not involved outside of their garage, that the real reason we train is forgotten; to become better. Because I have gotten on a Team does not make me anything but because I STILL try to improve my skill to the best of my ability does. I have realized though this process how little I really know and how much further I must climb. Without my seniors and teammates I am nothing as they have inspired me to achieve not discouraged me from the seemingly impossible.
Words are easy weapons volleyed across endless voids but actions require actual training and must be brandished personally. Sport requires one to be physically, mentally and spiritually superior to their opponent and face the consequences of ones training methodology. Talking requires nothing.
Train.
Now.
Words are easy weapons volleyed across endless voids but actions require actual training and must be brandished personally. Sport requires one to be physically, mentally and spiritually superior to their opponent and face the consequences of ones training methodology. Talking requires nothing.
Train.
Now.
StudentCarl
3rd Black Belt
It's motivating to compete in tournaments and to meet and learn from dedicated and skilled people. It's motivating to see both poomsae and sparring that is above my level...because I want to become that skilled. I'm no different than the little kid who wants to be like the big kid, or the big kid who wants to be like the adult: we all need models to make real what's possible. The value of Olympics, World Championships, etc. isn't only for those who compete. It shows what's possible through training. I may not (ok, won't) ever round kick as fast as Aaron Cook, but I see what's possible and work toward it. I watch Master Southwick and Master Cooley go head-to-head in poomsae and get all fired up to train poomsae. Higher level events are important motivators for all of us.
Carl
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