The Sjambok

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  1. Tez3

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    You are responsible for posting up pictures of people who were victims however.
     
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    Dude stop following me around!!!
     
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    Don't be silly, this is place that open to everyone and anyone can comment. No one is following you around.
     
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    I am not familiar with shambok yet, however I am very familiar with short cossack volchatka whip and I can say that with some skill this tool is extreamly effective both as defense and asault weapon

     
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    Nothing comes close to the sjambok. It's the perfect compromise between the bullwhip, the staff & the billy club. Length, speed & power. Its got it all.

    The Mighty Sjambok
     

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    Then, I have a Sjambok on steroids - collapsible aluminiun cane! Similar in some respects with extra weight and impact capabilities. Not exactly a Sjambok but a related weapon

     
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    Get a sjambok....then you'll understand.
     
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    That's nice and all. But it doesn't answer my questions.

    James is a friend of mine. My copy of The Scourge of the Dark Continent is autographed with a personal message. I just saw him again a few weeks back at CombatCon in Vegas where we both taught. That reminds me, he was supposed to send me a copy of one of his slide presentations. I'll have to ask him about that.

    So, what you're saying is that you're unwilling to answer questions about your expertise with the sjambok, where you trained and who with, nor are you willing to answer questions about your training and expertise in either the knife or guns? As an alternative, your plan is to say, "unless you've been personally beaten with a sjambok I won't discuss it with you." That's your plan?

    Anyway, I'm off to go ask James to PM me that slide presentation. Thanks for reminding me. I'll be back after I send him the reminder. Tah.

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    You already posted this once: The Sjambok
     
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    All the pics do is clearly demonstrate the sjambok's effectiveness. I'm not asking for your opinion on the morality of the sjambok's use, I don't care. James is one badass little dude. I'd love to spend a few minutes with him. His level of martial knowledge is incredible.
     
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    My "training" is real life situations where if I had had a sjambok numerous people would be living with some serious scars. It doesn't take too much "training" to know how to lash someone with a sjambok. Precision with the sjambok most certainly does take training. Precision enables the weilder to shear off an ear or nose tip or permanently blind an eye. That isn't always required in most SD situations. I am nowhere near ^ that level....yet. Mr Loriega himself might not be that accurate. I don't know. I'm sure some men are, particularly in Trece Cortes.
     
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    So, you haven't actually trained with it. You've seen situations where you've thought 'oh if only I'd brought my sjambok and had some training I'd really show them who is the baas'. :D:D:D
     
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    I NEVER said that. I've been training with the sjambok for almost a year now. It's just nowhere near as fun to train with as my "Karotty Nummchucks". If only it were concealable...
     
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    Mmm you did you know, I quoted it.
     
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    If Bruce Lee had started out using the sjambok as he planned to in his next project THE GREEN BAMBOO WARRIOR weapons like the nunchaku probably would have been lost to history as it was unknown to the western world until Lee resurrected it. Unfortunately for the nunchaku it takes months of daily training to become proficient enough to use it in SD.
     
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    The effectiveness of splitting open skin? Yes.

    Yes, he's quite knowledgeable and skilled.
     
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    The ability to inflict "serious scars" isn't the same thing as the ability to stop a determined attack. It is conceded the the sjambok splits open skin like rotten tomatoes. Nevertheless, there are any number of instances where pain and otherwise "superficial" injuries simply aren't enough to stop an attack. And, all that aside, you still haven't answered the questions: What is your experience with the sjambok; who trained you and who have you trained with? What is your experience and training with the knife? What is your experience and training with handguns? You suggested that the sjambok is a superior weapon to both of those yet offer little evidence other than "the South African police use it so it must be awesome" and "because I say so." Well, the evidence is that the South African police use it because it inflicts a lot of pain and people are afraid of pain. That just leaves your say-so as to it being superior to other weapons. So I want to know why I should take your word on it.

    It doesn't take much training to hit someone with a stick either, nor to stab someone with a knife. To use the tools in a developed martial system, on the other hand, does take time, training, and effort.

    The question isn't about James' skill. I'll vouch for him all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. The question is about whether or not you have the skills, training, and experience to make the pronouncements which you are making. Stop throwing out James' name as if it gives your claims some sort of legitimacy. To the best of my recollection, James hasn't made any claims of superiority of one weapon over another in reference to the ones which you've discussed, though he does have a particular affinity for the Spanish clasp knife.
     
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    Almost a whole year, huh? [​IMG]

    Look, no one is saying that the sjambok isn't a neat weapon with some very interesting applications. Nor is anyone saying that it's not worthwhile to explore. The problem that most seem to be having is your apparent claims that the weapon is superior to everything else because "South African police!" Oh, and "because I say so." From what place of subject matter authority do you speak?
     
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    Whatever bro. Think whatever the hell you want. I don't give a ****.
     

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