There was an ninja instructor who challenged me in the park. IMO, he fought just like any other Karate guy.Did he lose because ninja or because never fights?
There was an ninja instructor who challenged me in the park. IMO, he fought just like any other Karate guy.Did he lose because ninja or because never fights?
Did he lose because ninja or because never fights? If having little to no actual fighting experience is a salient characteristic of the style, is saying so considered bashing?
I don't think so. It's not a part of the style, IMO. Any individual could, without changing the style (any style), spar/fight with people from other styles. This is where common (even consistent) training methods get confused with the style.
There was an ninja instructor who challenged me in the park. IMO, he fought just like any other Karate guy.
Getting trashed by one would have.Yeah but trashing all his mates in sparring still wouldn't have helped him.
Yeah, those who haven't trained with professional fighters typically don't realize the real gap between a pro and a hobbyist.He lost because he had no idea what sort of level of martial artist he was or what sort of level of martial artist his oponant was.
I come across this a lot. The look at a professional fighter and really not think there can be that big a jump in skills.
And there just is.
It is why guys like tony describe themselves as hobbyists.
Yeah, those who haven't trained with professional fighters typically don't realize the real gap between a pro and a hobbyist.
I've been training martial arts for 36 years. With all due humility, I don't feel I'm boasting to say that my skills and knowledge are well above the average martial artist. Maybe even a teensy bit above the average martial arts instructor. However, I've also done enough training and sparring with professional fighters to recognize my limits.
My knowledge is adequate for a mid-level pro fighter.
My skills are barely adequate for an entry level pro fighter.
My strength and conditioning are completely inadequate for any kind of pro fighter or even any sort of serious amateur competitor.
Most people also don't realize the huge gulf between the bottom tier of professionals and the top tier. That gap is possibly even greater than the distance between the average hobbyist and an entry-level pro.
Well, I did say that my knowledge was at the level of a mid-level professional. My actual skills are a little bit lower than that.Yeah, that's right, I hit the disagree button on your post. You ain't no hobbyist.
Your conditioning might not be currently pro fight ready, nor should it be, you aren't currently training for a pro fight. Just like any pro fighter who isn't currently training for an upcoming fight isn't "condition ready". [also because you're a seriously old F.]
If we were to hook up I'd be hounding you to teach me everything and anything you know how, about any and every damn thing in the Martial Arts.
I don't do that with "hobbyists". Nice try, humble old guy.
I sometimes make that claim. The evidence is kinda sketchy, though.I know more than someone who knows nothing.
Yeah, those who haven't trained with professional fighters typically don't realize the real gap between a pro and a hobbyist.
I've been training martial arts for 36 years. With all due humility, I don't feel I'm boasting to say that my skills and knowledge are well above the average martial artist. Maybe even a teensy bit above the average martial arts instructor. However, I've also done enough training and sparring with professional fighters to recognize my limits.
My knowledge is adequate for a mid-level pro fighter.
My skills are barely adequate for an entry level pro fighter.
My strength and conditioning are completely inadequate for any kind of pro fighter or even any sort of serious amateur competitor.
Most people also don't realize the huge gulf between the bottom tier of professionals and the top tier. That gap is possibly even greater than the distance between the average hobbyist and an entry-level pro.
So.........who or what appointed you the karate kop? How do you determine whether someone is being taught BS? Are you an expert in that style? If you're not, you really have no basis whatsoever for commenting on that style, IMNSHO.Ya, who am I to try to help people, and dispel ********. We should just let hucksters and frauds take peoples money, because its nobodies business.
.......I think not.
I don't care about style, only what works. Style is only a label.So.........who or what appointed you the karate kop? How do you determine whether someone is being taught BS? Are you an expert in that style? If you're not, you really have no basis whatsoever for commenting on that style, IMNSHO.
So.........who or what appointed you the karate kop? How do you determine whether someone is being taught BS? Are you an expert in that style? If you're not, you really have no basis whatsoever for commenting on that style, IMNSHO.
I don't care about style, only what works. Style is only a label.
There's good Karate, and useless karate. It's about what and how people are taught, and more importantly what they are led to believe they are buying with their monthly fee. If you are being led to believe by an instructor that you are being prepared for a combat or self defense situation, yet your training involves 0 actual combat, it's a scam.
As much as people here seem to think this sort of thing is anomolous to the reality, my experience tells me otherwise.
Not really.That also means the only people who could judge the effectiveness of a style also have a vested intrest in that style.
Self regulating is kind of the issue here.
If you aren't skeptical,of a self defense teacher who has no personal or professional experience outside of training in self defense, you're either not concerned about self defense (ie training for some other reason) or you're being misled.Not really.
The issue isn't that only those invested can judge, rather that the people who want to judge are happy to do so from a position of ignorance.
If you really want to be judge arbiter of the martial arts then go out and spend some time training with various schools in the style you want to "bash".
Ask questions, learn different approaches, raise your concerns with someone in a position to address them. Try and demo what you feel is wrong. If you shaft every convoluted technique and run circles around the seniors, people would be more inclined to listen.
This may sound like a lot but it is really just basic research. The fact that you want folks to take your word for it online without an honest attempt to learn what is going on I think puts more people off you and thus your approach than any style bias could.
If you aren't skeptical,of a self defense teacher who has no personal or professional experience outside of training in self defense, you're either not concerned about self defense (ie training for some other reason) or you're being misled.
You don't have to be an expert in that style to see the problem any more than you need to be a doctor to understand that the guy teaching people how to perform heart surgery should have logged some hours in the ER performing heart surgery. No amount of training will prepare a person so well as a cardio thoracic surgeon that it can in any way replace actual experience such that he can competently train others.
This continues to be such obvious common sense, I don't understand how it is so often ignored when it comes to martial arts. It is accepted as a given in literally every other tphysical human activity.
INot really.
The issue isn't that only those invested can judge, rather that the people who want to judge are happy to do so from a position of ignorance.
If you really want to be judge arbiter of the martial arts then go out and spend some time training with various schools in the style you want to "bash".
Ask questions, learn different approaches, raise your concerns with someone in a position to address them. Try and demo what you feel is wrong. If you shaft every convoluted technique and run circles around the seniors, people would be more inclined to listen.
This may sound like a lot but it is really just basic research. The fact that you want folks to take your word for it online without an honest attempt to learn what is going on I think puts more people off you and thus your approach than any style bias could.