Sokeship Council, Grandmaster or NOT????

[arnisador]

Now I'm hungry for Chinese food!

Dude, I'm buying!

 

[Aegis]

Damn, now I want Chinese food too! And it's only 10:20 am here!

 

[RRouuselot]

Damn, now I want Chinese food too! And it's only 10:20 am here!

I just had Chinese food for dinner........it was outstanding!

 

[TimoS]

I just had Chinese food for dinner........it was outstanding!

Now you're just being cruel :asian:

 

[RRouuselot]

Now you're just being cruel :asian:

It wasn't Hong Kong level.............but pretty close!

 

[TimoS]

It wasn't Hong Kong level.............but pretty close!

Hey, not fair! I just had some "tortillas" in our cafeteria for lunch and now you're trying to get me hungry again! And doing a good job at it, too

 

[Aegis]

I just had Chinese food for dinner........it was outstanding!

Robert, in all fairness the stuff that I call Chinese food is probably about as Chinese as I am

My dad's told me that on his trip to china the food served was very different to what you buy as chinese food here, and looking at indian food too, I can understand why that might be the case!

 

[Don Roley]

Do we still need to report to Asia to be legit???[/B]

Do we need to report to a soke board to be legit?

Looking at all the posts here, it all seems to come down to that idea. The idea that Americans should throw off the chains of Asia, stop bowing to Asian master and........

....put on chains made in America and start bowing to American masters.

I look at those that I respect as inovators of the martial arts and can't imagine them pointing to an orginization and saying, "since I belong to this group you should respect me!" Bruce Lee, Ed Parker, The Gracies, etc... I cannot imagine them trying to claim respect from others based on the people they associate with.

And this really seems to be what soke boards are all about. Gaining legitmaticy through their association with others. Reading some folks use of their sokeship council membership, I get the mental image of the South Park line, "Respect my authority!!!!!"

And really, the arguments for soke boards I see here are not so much ones that seem to point to the positive attitude of the groups. Rather they remind me of Eric Cartman running around in his police uniform.

"How dare you judge my hanshi" seems to be the response. Well, that is what Americans do, is it not? We do not bow to kings or feel forced to accept what others tell us. Why the heck should we bow down to your self proclaimed master of the martial art that he is fit to judge others any more than us?

I think it is safe to say that someone without a strong internal Chinese martial art would have problems telling good from bad in that art, or tell why certain things are done the way they are.

Of course, there is the matter of combat effectiveness. I have seen the comments that a person who has spent 50 years in the martial arts should be able to tell what is combat effective. Oh really? I have no trouble imagining that someone could spend decades in the safety of the dojo and not know the first thing about a fight for their life. I remember when the Gracies first came on the scene and many people who had trained for decades said that a striker could beat them silly before they could be taken to the ground. They were proven wrong because they had no real experience going against a grappler.

So if someone does not have a lot of experience in real combat- the only situation where there are not rules and conditions like the strikers faced before facing the Gracies- then I think they are pretty dumb for saying they can judge what will and will not work in combat.

So, where is the proof of these judges experience in life or death combat? I am talking about things like police reports. If someone has to defend his life, it is only natural that the police would be called in. And they had to have done this enough to discount a lucky handfull of experiences to gain the experience worthy of judging others.

So, all the arts that are passed by these mavens teach defense against knife attacks. Are any of them willing to get in a cage with Don Pentecost or Marc MacYoung armed with a live blade? It seems natural that if the judges are willing to give their stamp of approval in terms of combat effectiveness to arts that teach how to defend against a knife that they should face a live one in the hands of someone like that.

But instead those of us that find the qualifications of the mavens wanting are faced with a attempt to intimidate us into respecting the authority of them just like they accuse those in Asia of requiring. I see more in common with Eric Cartman than the words of Bruce Lee.

Well, the simple fact is that until one of these judges produce some police reports of real life and death combat or agree to face even harmless guy like me with a blade in my hand, they deserve no deference to their authority. Until they show some experience in all the multiple arts they cater to I have the right to say that I do not think they are qualified.

And as an American holding the values of questioning anything I want, I will not be told to respect their authority quietly.

 

[The Kai]

I hate to ask but feel I must get clarification on this......how was he "making history" in 1963?
Well here he is in present day........

http://www.kempokarate.com/tenshi_goju.mov

anyone have any comments about his "technique"?

Although thyere are stylistic things I don't agree with, taking into account age and the process of filming usally brings thins down a little.
Not to bad
(in all fairness)

 

[Makalakumu]

I think you are taking a very superficial view of the martial arts. You talk as if all hits, etc are the same. They are not. Some are damaging, some are driving. Take a look at Hsing-i. From what I understand, they have something like five different types of hitting, all with the same type of fist.

Too many people think that martial arts are just the same techniques thrown together in different combinations. I thought so too. But now I see that there is some truely great variations in the arts from the ground up. If someone does not know the total of the art, how are they to judge if it is good or not. What may be "correct" in one art can be "wrong" in another. I have a hell of a time with my shoulders in my current art after the style I started out with.

Penjak Silat, Copierra, Systema, Bagua and Shotokan- are you really going to say that these example arts do not have fundemental differences in the way they approach the situation of combat and declare yourself worthy of judging them all?

I have talked about this before, and here is a greater expansion on how I feel on the matter.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=377877#post377877

Mr. Roley, I think that you are misunderstanding my position.

There is some crossing over of technique between arts and then there arts that do things totally different. Heck, two arts may perform a technique that looks the same, but the application may be vastly different.

One of the ways that I learn is by looking at things from many different perspectives. This goes for martial techniques, also. When we do a technique in my art, I want to understand its depth of application. Being informed by other arts and their interpretations of that technique is very useful.

Here is an example, in our hyung, we have many joint locking applications. The general flow to a joint lock in TSD goes from striking to trapping to locking and that is what we practice. Then, I started cross training in Dan Zan Ryu Jui Jutsu. Joint locking in that art is technical, it has the very exact little motions that can make a joint lock even more effective. When I combine these two perspectives, I have a deeper understanding of the technique.

 

[Don Roley]

UpnorthKyosa,

I understand and agree with what you have to say in your last post. But the original point about how a stylist from one art can judge what is right or wrong in another is what I was getting at.

Yes, another art can give you greater insight. It can open you up to possibilities that you have never thought of. The best example is the insight the Gracies gave to the world of strikers. But for someone on a soke council to look at a tape of Bagua when they have never experienced the full art and then judge whether it is "correct' or not is just plain silly IMO.

 

[Makalakumu]

UpnorthKyosa,

I understand and agree with what you have to say in your last post. But the original point about how a stylist from one art can judge what is right or wrong in another is what I was getting at.

Yes, another art can give you greater insight. It can open you up to possibilities that you have never thought of. The best example is the insight the Gracies gave to the world of strikers. But for someone on a soke council to look at a tape of Bagua when they have never experienced the full art and then judge whether it is "correct' or not is just plain silly IMO.

I understand that point. The final say when it comes to "grading" any art should be the teacher of that art, not a board of "sokes". One may be able to learn from other arts and one may grow from their criticism, but the outsider will not understand the depth of the art in question...only the places where the two arts happen to cross paths.

 

[James Kovacich]

Do we need to report to a soke board to be legit?

Looking at all the posts here, it all seems to come down to that idea. The idea that Americans should throw off the chains of Asia, stop bowing to Asian master and........

....put on chains made in America and start bowing to American masters.

I look at those that I respect as inovators of the martial arts and can't imagine them pointing to an orginization and saying, "since I belong to this group you should respect me!" Bruce Lee, Ed Parker, The Gracies, etc... I cannot imagine them trying to claim respect from others based on the people they associate with.

And this really seems to be what soke boards are all about. Gaining legitmaticy through their association with others. Reading some folks use of their sokeship council membership, I get the mental image of the South Park line, "Respect my authority!!!!!"

And really, the arguments for soke boards I see here are not so much ones that seem to point to the positive attitude of the groups. Rather they remind me of Eric Cartman running around in his police uniform.

"How dare you judge my hanshi" seems to be the response. Well, that is what Americans do, is it not? We do not bow to kings or feel forced to accept what others tell us. Why the heck should we bow down to your self proclaimed master of the martial art that he is fit to judge others any more than us?

I think it is safe to say that someone without a strong internal Chinese martial art would have problems telling good from bad in that art, or tell why certain things are done the way they are.

Of course, there is the matter of combat effectiveness. I have seen the comments that a person who has spent 50 years in the martial arts should be able to tell what is combat effective. Oh really? I have no trouble imagining that someone could spend decades in the safety of the dojo and not know the first thing about a fight for their life. I remember when the Gracies first came on the scene and many people who had trained for decades said that a striker could beat them silly before they could be taken to the ground. They were proven wrong because they had no real experience going against a grappler.

So if someone does not have a lot of experience in real combat- the only situation where there are not rules and conditions like the strikers faced before facing the Gracies- then I think they are pretty dumb for saying they can judge what will and will not work in combat.

So, where is the proof of these judges experience in life or death combat? I am talking about things like police reports. If someone has to defend his life, it is only natural that the police would be called in. And they had to have done this enough to discount a lucky handfull of experiences to gain the experience worthy of judging others.

So, all the arts that are passed by these mavens teach defense against knife attacks. Are any of them willing to get in a cage with Don Pentecost or Marc MacYoung armed with a live blade? It seems natural that if the judges are willing to give their stamp of approval in terms of combat effectiveness to arts that teach how to defend against a knife that they should face a live one in the hands of someone like that.

But instead those of us that find the qualifications of the mavens wanting are faced with a attempt to intimidate us into respecting the authority of them just like they accuse those in Asia of requiring. I see more in common with Eric Cartman than the words of Bruce Lee.

Well, the simple fact is that until one of these judges produce some police reports of real life and death combat or agree to face even harmless guy like me with a blade in my hand, they deserve no deference to their authority. Until they show some experience in all the multiple arts they cater to I have the right to say that I do not think they are qualified.

And as an American holding the values of questioning anything I want, I will not be told to respect their authority quietly.

Nobody asked you to respect anyone. You flat out likened him to jack Stern. That was straight up disrespect on your part. You call it your right to question and I call it disrespect to a senior martial artist.

But by your last statement, you proved what they do is within their own rights. We as Americans can and will do anything we want and if others in other countries don't like it, then maybe they should start Dojo busting because nothing is going to change.

Hanshi is a good man and he does not belong in the "horror stories."

 

[TimoS]

Hanshi is a good man and he does not belong in the "horror stories."

Without taking sides in the debate whether or not he should be in Horror stories, I would just like to point out a couple of things. First of all, the fact the may be a good man doesn't really prove anything. Heck, some most likely consider even Frank Dux to be a good man. And the second point I would like to make is that whenever someone refers to their teacher by the teaching title Hanshi, it tends to make me shiver. It also reminds of one particular defender of Frank Dux...

 

[RRouuselot]

jack stern

1)Nobody asked you to respect anyone. You flat out likened him to jack Stern.

2) Hanshi is a good man and he does not belong in the "horror stories."

[font=arial,helvetica][font=arial,helvetica][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]1) He may have gotten the idea from this information:

1995:
Grandmaster Jack Stern was inducted into the Christian Martial Arts Hall of Fame (Golden Life Achievement Award).

Grandmaster Jack Stern was inducted into the World Head of Family Soke Council (Instructor of the Year Award).

World Head of Family Soke Council (Martial Arts Pioneer Award).

2) That's your opinion. Other people think if you are a flag waving card caring member of the bogus [/font][/font][/font][font=arial,helvetica][font=arial,helvetica][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]World Head of Family Soke Council you are a fake.....


More BS by Jack Stern can be found here:
http://www.kyha.net/awardsrecognition/
[/font][/font][/font]

 

[James Kovacich]

jack stern [font=arial,helvetica][font=arial,helvetica][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]1) He may have gotten the idea from this information:

1995:
Grandmaster Jack Stern was inducted into the Christian Martial Arts Hall of Fame (Golden Life Achievement Award).

Grandmaster Jack Stern was inducted into the World Head of Family Soke Council (Instructor of the Year Award).

World Head of Family Soke Council (Martial Arts Pioneer Award).

2) That's your opinion. Other people think if you are a flag waving card caring member of the bogus [/font][/font][/font][font=arial,helvetica][font=arial,helvetica][font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]World Head of Family Soke Council you are a fake.....


More BS by Jack Stern can be found here:
http://www.kyha.net/awardsrecognition/
[/font][/font][/font]

These are 2 differant organizations.
http://www.bushido.org/~whfsc/

Stern is not listed there.
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SMITH, MILES R.- Founder Jushin Ryu Karate Do. New Zealand

SONG SWEE HEE - Inheritor Nanyang Wushu - MALAYSIA

SPEAKMAN JEFF - Grandmaster Speakman's American Kenpo - Cedar Glen, CA

SRINAVASAN, S.- Founder Bino Ryu. India

STRATACOS, NICK - Kaicho World Motobu Ha Shito Ryu Karate Do Association . Monterey Park, CA

STONE, CARL- Founder Stone System. Largo, Florida

STOVER JOHN - Grandmaster Shaolin Ryu Shina Nippon JuJutsu - Wilmington, NC

STUMPF, BENEDETTO- 10th dan Nibuikai. Germany

SWANSEY, DONALD- 10th dan Seibu-Do. Houston, Texas

THERIEN JOHN - Co-founder World Kobudo Federation Canada

TIMMERMAN RUDY
Inheritor Kong Shin Bup. Canada

TIWANAK, MIKE - Professor CHA-3 Kenpo Karate.

TORRES, ROBERTO - Guru Besar - Pencak Silat Perisai Setia - Yaphank, NY

TOSH DAN 9th. dan Founder Shorin Kwoon Do Ryu, Brentwood,CA.

TOTTINGHAM, RON- Founder Kirisuto Shinsei Ji El Budo Ryu. Sioux Falls, South Dakota

TUIOLOSEGA, TINO - Founder 10th dan Lima Lama Hawaii

UMPAD SONNY - Grandmaster Visayan Eskrima. San Fransisco, CA

VALE, BART- Father of American Shoot Fighting. Miami, Florida

VAN CLIEF, RON- 10th dan Chinese Goju. New York, New York

VAN DONK, RICHARD-10th dan Bushido/ Bunjinkan Ninjitsu/ Inheritor Deceurdas Eskrima. Santa Cruz, CA.

VON ROLBECK, HANNS-10th dan Ki Jutsu. Germany

VANSIMPSON, JOHNNY- 9th dan Tai Jitsi. Belgium

VASQUEZ, FELIX- Founder Circle of One System. Ridgewood, NY.

VERKERKE, DANIEL- Founder Seicho Jutsu / 10th dan Ninjutsu. Cambridge,Ontario, Canada

VIGGIANO, RALPH- Inheritor of Johnny Kuhl's "Combat Karate".NY


WANG, JACK - 9th dan Flying Eagle Hapkido / Hapkido-Boxercise, Singapore

WARNER, TERRY- Founder Chan Shou Do. Maplewood, Minnesota

WARREN, HARRIS -Founder Nisei Bujutsu. Jacksonville, Florida

WASNIEWSKI, GARY - 10th dan Ty-Ga Karate Int'l. - ENGLAND

WILLIAMS, JOSEPH- Head of Style Atemi Ryu Lauderhill, Florida

WILLIAMS, ROBERT - 9th dan Makoto Ryu Aiki-Jujitsu, Seattle WA.

WILSON, GLENN -Sitaigung Pai Lum Tao Orlando, FL.

WONG, DOUGLAS LIM - Founder White Lotus Kung-Fu - CA.

WU, JOHNY-Sifu Wu Jia Quan Shu. Cleveland, Ohio "Special Member"

YAMAUE, KEIDO-10th dan Yamaue Aiki-Jutsu/ Nord Shaolin Kung-fu. Japan/Denmark

YIP CHING- Grandmaster Wing Chun. China

YIP CHUN- Grandmaster Wing Chun. China

ZAHOPOULOS, VASSILIOS- 10th dan Okinawa Te/ Seidokan. Greece

ZIEGLER, JURG European Head Master-Southern Shaolin Lohan Kung-fu/ Sin Moo Hapkido. Switzerland

ZULU, CHAKA-10th dan Zujitsu Ryu. New York, New York


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HONORARY MEMBERS

JACKIE CHAN-Kung Fu Hong Kong

NICHOLAS STARK - Shoot Fighting Orlando, FL

RICKSON GRACIE
7th dan Brazilian Jui-jitsu Palasades Pk., CA

ED PARKER JR. - American Kenpo Pasadena, CA

ROBERT FERGUSON - Combat Tae Kwon Do, CA

STEVE LEE SWIFT - Wing Chun, Florida

KA'IMI KUOHA - Kara-Ho Kempo Le Mesa, CA

MARTY MANUEL - Goju Ryu NJ.

DON "THE DRAGON" WILSON - Kick boxing, Florida

MARK DACASCOS - Wun Hop Kuen Do

BILL WALLACE - 9th dan / kick boxing

EDWARD N. SZREJTER - Executive Director U.S.J.A.

PETER BROWNE - Kenpo Jujitsu, UK

AMIR ARDEBILY - Kung-Fu / Kickboxing, St. Petersburg FL.

BADIANG, PUANANI S. - Shihan-Dai Seite-Do Karate / Hawaii

DELUCA, AMBER - Master Jing Sai Do / Alamogordo, New Mexico

GYI, MAUNG - Dr. Father of Bando in America / Ohio

STONE, MIKE - Kenpo / Philippines

RICHARD HACKWORTH - Korean Arts Ocoee, FL.

GREG LEE - Korean Arts Wildwood, FL

FUJITANI MIYAKO- Sensei 6th dan Aikido Osaka, Japan.

POSTHUMOUS MEMBERS

GARY CASTANZA - 10th dan Zen Sekai Goshin Jitsu Buffalo, NY

WALTER ROSE - 9th dan Sebu Do System
Houston, Texas

ED PARKER - 10th. dan American Kempo
Pasadena, California

FRANK RUIZ - 10th. dan Nisei Goju Ryu
Miami, Florida

PETER SIRINGANO SR. - 10th. dan Goshindo Kempo Samuria Jiu-jitsu New York

TEH HUANG MING - 10th. dan Emperor's Long Fist
Canada

HOHAN SOKEN - Founder Matsumura Seito
Okinawa

NABE MATSUMURA - Founder of Machimura Autudi Shorin Ryu, Okinawa

DANIEL KANE PAI - Great Grandmaster Pai Lum Tao (Hawaii) FL.

HAROLD LONG - 10th. dan Long Isshinryu
Tennessee

FLORENDO VISITACION - 10th. dan Vee Arnis Jitsu New York

SIG KUFFERATH - 10th. dan Kodenkan Danzan Ryu Ju-jitsu

NAGLE, DON - 10th dan Isshinryu. New Jersey

RAMOS, TONY- 10th dan Augung Kajukenbo. Wahiawa, Hawaii

KANG BAN CHUAN- Inheritor Southern Lohan Kung-Fu, Singapore

PACHIVAS, JOHNNY SR.- 10th dan Shuri-Ryu. N. Miami, FL.

NGO DONG - Founder Cuong Nhu. La Mesa, California

KIM, RICHARD- Hanshi. San Francisco, California

KUHL, JOHNNY - 10th. dan Combat Karate, New York. NY.

EDWARDS, ROBERT F-9th dan Manabi Masho Ju-jitsu, Huntington, W. Virginia

URBAN, PETER-10th dan Grand Patriarch of ALL of the American Goju systems. Woodlynne, NJ.

 

[RRouuselot]

These are 2 differant organizations.
http://www.bushido.org/~whfsc/

No need to waste all the bandwidth with all the bogus Soke-Doke wannabes......if you would have bothered to read the article I posted Jack Stern was booted out of that organization.

 

[James Kovacich]

No need to waste all the bandwidth with all the bogus Soke-Doke wannabes......if you would have bothered to read the article I posted Jack Stern was booted out of that organization.

What article?

 

[RRouuselot]

What article?

Look for it

 

[arnisador]

Hmmm, "Grand Patriarch" is a new martial arts title (to me), though it sounds like an Orthodox high priest.