Simularity I've Noticed Between JKD and All Martial Arts

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  1. frank raud

    frank raud Master Black Belt

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    Eh. Most of the JKD guys I have trained with come from the Inosanto concepts lineage. Little to no wing chun in what most of them do. Fma? Check. Muay Thai? Check. Some of them were certified back in the 80's. That would include an original Dog Brother.

    Blocks are simultaneous attacks? That would be a revelation to most karate folks I'm sure. Might want to dig a little deeper than just the Tao of Jeet Kune Do.

    How does a philosophy teach people to react faster? And how is unique from the core philosophy of any defensive art?

     
  2. Cyriacus

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    Step 1 of 1: Something can sound pleasant or hostile depending on how You read it, and that applies to everything. But more importantly, how one replies will set the tone for future replies, which can cause some unpleasant exchanges, where only pleasantries were intended.

    Thats all You need to know, really.
     
  3. Zenjael

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    The epistemology of JKD stresses reaction, with speed to reach the aggressor, before they finish their technique. The only emphasis there is speed, and perhaps control reinforced by ability to do so, which suggests training, and doing so properly. That's how it was conveyed to me, at least.
     
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    You have fine writing skills, my friend, I think you're just trying too hard. I love you passion and enthusiasm for the arts, I really do, it's a fine thing. I think you'll find it a common thread among those on this forum for we all love the arts. You might want to keep in mind that there are people here who have battle wounds older than you are, people from different countries that have walked down streets that contain dangers you haven't even thought about yet.

    Starting as young as you did has it's advantages. But starting as an adult has advantages, too. When you start as a little kid you have little kid thoughts, and more important, little kid enemies. When you start older, your playing field is different. Way different. There are people here who have served and fought in the military. It's a different kind of fighting. There are policemen here, people who have taken down violent, nasty men. It, too, is a different kind of fighting.

    So, take no offense from what any have to say. They're a very good resource for young men on the rise.
     
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    No. Just... no. There is so much wrong here that I hardly know where to start. But.... no.
     
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    Gnarlie Master of Arts

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    This is like one of those nature shows where you watch a group of lions creeping up on a herd of unsuspecting wildebeest. I love this site.
     
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    I haven't started yet....
     
  8. Cyriacus

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    Except it isnt a Lion, and theres only one of it :)
     
  9. Zenjael

    Zenjael Purple Belt

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    Then begin, but I do not see err in what I wrote about JKD. Enlighten me, please.
     
  10. Big Don

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    So, you just leave your entire center wide open? After 19 years of training, you fight in a horse stance? Seriously?
     
  11. Chris Parker

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    Well, I can see an "err" (sic) in that short comment, so you know... but, since you asked:

    Jeet Kune Do is an approach, which is an expression of a philosophy (in this case, a training philosophy and combative philosophy), to martial art training, espousing cross-training and having a congruent combative ideal. Every martial art is made of a philosophy in this way, which is just as clear. The idea of JKD having "tenants" (uh, "tenets"... "tenants" are people that rent your house) which are practical and possible... what do you think other martial arts have? Tenets (ethical beliefs) that aren't possible? A tenet is an ethical belief or ideal... hmm.

    Every martial art has stylistic differences to other martial arts, and it is far from superficial. The differences between, say, Judo and Jodo are gigantic in pretty much every way you can think of. The second half of your statement here is so vague as to have no meaning.

    Hmm. No.

    Closer... Martial arts are philosophies, expressed through combative techniques.

    I have no idea what you mean by "speeds and degrees", as it doesn't seem to have any context whatsoever.

    Er, what? Grammar, dude, grammar. This thing makes no sense.

    Right... but this has any relevance to the rest of this post why?

    Even though your experience and understanding of JKD is basically zero?

    Or, to sum up...

    No. Just... no. There is so much wrong here I hardly know where to start. But... no.
     
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  12. Aiki Lee

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    Is there a clear distinction between JKD as a style and JKD as a concept for an apporach to training?
     
  13. Chris Parker

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    I think you'll be hard pressed to find many JKD practitioners who would even refer to it as a style in the first place, so I guess the major distinction is that JKD doesn't exist as a style, only as a concept.
     
  14. Xue Sheng

    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    My understanding, and it is limited as it applies to JKD, is that there are two schools of thought; One says JKD is a kinda sorta is a styleand the other says it kinda sorta isn't.

     
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    So, your answer is "Yes/No"
     
  16. Zenjael

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    Different degrees of complexity of thought (technique) and speed.

    JKD can be utilized as a philosophy and mindset by any style. Choose that which best works for you, and modify your perspective of it using JKD tenets.

    A tenet is any held belief which guides one to act, and think within a specific mindframe and context, to me.
     
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    See now, thats like saying, pick something You believe in, and modify Your belief in it based on *Insert Idealogy Here*, because...
    Um...
    I like it.

    Think about it.

    What if I dont want to change a series of beliefs, and how I look at what I do, just because JKD has some Tenets that some People like?
    Thats practically doing it for the sake of doing it.
     
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    Not to appear to be jumping on those who adhere to the teachings of Bruce Lee, but how is someone to practice JKD in any sense without already being extremely knowledgeable in MA? What I mean is, the whole discard what is useless and absorb what is useful; how is any beginner to know what is of any use to him as in many systems important lessons are hid in teaching forms that don't resemble actual combat or may be counter intuitive to what one thinks they should do during a fight?

    Can JKD as a concept be practiced only by those who have trained extensively in one or more arts?
     
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    Xue Sheng All weight is underside

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    Heavens no...it is Yes/No... may or may not be wrong :D
     
  20. Zenjael

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    It's not about liking it. If a specific move you have been taught, for you, routinely gets you kicked in the face, or anywhere undesirable, or plain doesn't work... why, according to JKD, should you keep it?

    Loooooot of moves I like. Heck, most in MA. But that doesn't mean I use them all for sparring, or even survival.

    You don't have to, but if they work, than either way you are following a concept of JKD in keeping what works, for you.
     

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