Signs your Ninja training might be questionable at best

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Bester, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. Frank Dux

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    My Budo (trans. "Way of War") is "Dux Ryu" that as its founder and head of family I have the authority to issue a document of transmission in my way Dux Ryu... Ninjutsu is again a 20th Century umbrella term denoting ancient rooted and stylized "tradecraft." There exist no Menkyo for NInjutsu in and of itself is what I was referring to, understand better?

    Here's the example a person says "Im a 10th Degree in Karate... and have a Menkyo for Karate in and of itself without naming which style aka Budo is a red flag. Someone says they have a Menkyo in a particular form of Karate (Goju, Kyokushinkai, etc.) is more appropriate.
     
  2. Frank Dux

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    Fred Villari monetized Martial Arts as a business and retired exceptionally wealthy. His franchise retired with him.
     
  3. Encho

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    Hi Frank
    Just to clarify you are not claiming that Dux ryu comes from any koga yamabushi ninjutsu or anything remote of any yamabushi ryuha?

    I suppose if a menkyo kaiden was issued in say Katori Shinto ryu which does have ninjutsu as part of its curriculum would you still say that? Even if a person was designated someone as soke of a ryuha he would still need a menkyo, kyoju Dari, or some sort of certificate as a menkyo simply means license.
     
  4. hoshin1600

    hoshin1600 Master of Arts

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    this is a deviation from the thread, but your version of history is a little fuzzy. yes Fred monetized and franchised,. his chain is still active. i cannot comment on his net worth that is irrelevant anyway. what is important is that ALL of his top ranks left the franchise starting in 1990. if you would like a list i can give it. needless to say they abandoned him like rats from a ship along with all of the lower black belts and thousands of students and schools. why because it was suicide to be associated with his name. but maybe he is a hero of yours . whatever.
     
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    Heck, Fred Villari was Frank Dux before Frank Dux was.

    That was kind of fun, writing that sentence. :)
     
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    Hi Frank - I would like butt in here for a minute.

    First, a little about me - I am a Danzan Ryu Jujitsu guy. I have been training Danzan Ryu for a number of years, and have also cross trained in a few other arts. But, at heart, I am a Danzan Ryu guy.

    As I read this thread, and the other, I find them quite entertaining. However, I don't really care. I don't really care if you are the real Frank Dux. I don't care about your lineage. I don't care if your art is gendai or koryu or something else entirely. Remember, I am a Danzan Ryu guy... so your lineage means nothing to me.

    However, you must have had some amount of training, and some experience on the floor. (how much, I can't say... I don't know anything about you) Your experiences are different than mine. You have learned different things, and most likely, the same things as me only in a different way and or context. You have a different view on these things than I do. That is what I care about. That is why I am here. I want to hear from, and share with people, the things we learn and the different perspectives we have.

    My hope is that you will stick around a while. I hope you will pop in on other threads, and offer your views, suggestions, tips and thoughts on the different subjects being discussed. I hope you will leave this mess here, on these two threads (as entertaining as it is), and just offer your views on these other subjects. Hopefully, in those discussions, we can both learn and grow as a result. That is the reason for this forum.

    You will be judged by your messages. This is the same for everyone who posts here. You will not be judged by your fancy uniform or by the color of the thingy that keeps it closed. People here are judged only by the content of their posts. What is interesting is that I have learned things from folks here who are many times more experienced than I. But I have also learned many things from folks here just beginning their journey. Stripping away the ranks, and the associations, makes everyone here much more approachable. This makes communication easier, when we are not all comparing the color of the thingys we use to close our uniform.

    Anyway, I hope to hear your input on the other subjects being discussed on this site. I think you have something to offer us. If you open yourself up, and look, I think you will find that we have somethings to offer you as well. I have appreciated the mutually beneficial nature of this site.
     
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  7. kempodisciple

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    Hoshin already clarified, but his franchise did not retire with him, it's still active. Due to the jumping ship hoshin mentioned, it split into a ton of different groups, all with the name (or something close) to shaolin kempo, but his system is still very much practiced, just not necessarily under his name.
     
  8. Xue Sheng

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    I found you but got no response
     
  9. JR 137

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    Exactly. And I have to go there, in the name of my warped sense of humor...

    What’s the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi? Show us the dim mak.

    In other words... this past stuff is tired and old. It’s comical and just dumb at the same time. If you are who you claim to be, and I’m thinking you are*, please contribute something valuable. And not the absurd fiction that no one believes is actually passed on such as in the other thread.

    *I had my doubts before. I hate to say it, but I believe he really is Frank Dux. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer though, so don’t hold it against me if it turns out to be a scam the whole time.
     
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