DWeidman said:Or just ask me on here -- and I can PM you my contact information (or just email me at Daniel @ TenChiJinDojo.com
Same here [email protected]
LOL!
That could work as well....
-ben
DWeidman said:Or just ask me on here -- and I can PM you my contact information (or just email me at Daniel @ TenChiJinDojo.com
Same here [email protected]
You can still have "alive training" and be the attacker with the arm out. Rather than tossing the practice aside because it seems "antiquated" or "not real," why not try to make it real through practice?
Speaking of alive, I wonder if you have tested this theory for real, in an alive scenario....as described in the above video. Leaving your arm hanging is fine if the other guy is "done attacking", or if it has already been determined you are going to eventually win. Otherwise you have lost a potential weapon and cannot use it as a shield eithor, and have potentially also given it as a gift to your opponent. If you can use it to grab and close the distance quick enough...ok, thats cool. But as a general rule, probably not a good tactic for most scenarios.You should be able to throw a punch, then with that hand still out there, generate enough power through your use of spine, knees, hips and and so on to knock the tori on his backside *WITHOUT* retracting the arm (not to mention all the nasty grabs, tears, etc. that are available). The same principle drives the "thrusting power" of knives, for example. You should not need to have to retract the arm if your initial attack was evaded by the tori.
-ben
Leaving your arm hanging is fine if the other guy is "done attacking", or if it has already been determined you are going to eventually win. Otherwise you have lost a potential weapon and cannot use it as a shield eithor
What precisely do you think a kamae, such as seigan no kamae, is supposed to be doing?
-ben
Bencole said:You should be able to throw a punch, then with that hand still out there, generate enough power through your use of spine, knees, hips and and so on to knock the tori on his backside *WITHOUT* retracting the arm (not to mention all the nasty grabs, tears, etc. that are available).
Otherwise you have lost a potential weapon and cannot use it as a shield eithor, and have potentially also given it as a gift to your opponent.
One thing I was trying to get at in my post, albeit subtly, was the truth that no one should listen to a teacher who teaches you what to do in situations they have never experienced.
If we see differences, it is due to the narrowness of our vision.
This is like Mt Fuji's being being concealed by a tree this with branches and leaves and my not being able to see it. But how can Mt Fuji be concealed by a single tree? It is simply because of the narrowness of my vision and because the tree stands in the way of my vision that Mt. Fuji cannot be seen. We go on thinking that the tree is concealing Mt. Fuji. Yet it is due to the narrowness of my vision.
Not understanding the principles of things, people often put on knowing faces and criticize those that do understand. And while they seem to be laughing at others, they are really laughing at themselves. At least those who truly understand must think so. -- Takuan Soho
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When was the last time you trained with anyone who has faced a spearman while he had a sword?
Just thought I would quote someone...
I recall having heard Arnaud Cousergue saying that although he's studied all kinds of Japanese sword schools, it was never until he met Hatsumi that he learned to use them for real.
Oh? Have you ever had someone come out of an alley and try to stick a knife in you? How about being surrounded by thugs? You see, your experiences in the military does not carry over to hand to hand. You are far from the only person here who has been to the Benning school for boys. And if you think your miltary experiences carry over, you just do not know how wrong you are.
The problem is, you are trying to draw a map to a place you have never been before.
Unless you have been in a hand to hand situation that involves deadly weapons, how the heck are you suppossed to know what it is like and how to prepare for it? Some of the things you think are useless become neccesary, and some of the things you think would help get in the way.
So you are sitting down, without the experience of killing someone, and trying to say what is needed to prepare for a situation where you might have to. Guess how that sounds? Your talking about MMA and such as if he has relevance....how do you know that?
From your first post you talked about how we did our form of punching and training with it for tradition's sake. You are wrong. If you read the pages that Nimravus linked to, you can see how a person with experience with dealing with knife weilding thugs thinks about your MMA and sparring talk. Hey, I happen to believe that people need to spend more time working on awareness. I just happen to know that there are reasons for a lot of what we do in the Bujinkan that are not obvious at first. You learn certain things at certain points- not too early because that would ruin your later progress. A lot of things that have been tossed out of "traditional" martial arts by those that would "modernize," "Improve" or otherwise change the art actually are very important.
In short, you don't know what a knife fight is like and you do not have not the knowledge of what should be taught at what point. You need to ask more questions, take a closer look at what is behind the training and not declare that certain things are done for tradition's sake or are not usefull for combat training. If you get some police reports of you taking on attackers with deadly weapons, you might get more respect when you talk like that- not before.
I already did find him, and I am going to check out his training. I don't want to change the art for god's sake. But I do have different expectations from it, which I KNOW this art can deliver. I need a dojo that uses Randori. The point to my post has already been proven, I need a knew dojo. My teacher is lacking in what I need.So you blame your teacher for the fact that you haven't spent time learning that you can do Age Uchi without the Bo.... (shake head)
So have you followed my advice and grabbed a training partner and tried to figure it out yet? Or do you expect your teacher to show you? Or do you expect me to show you?
You said that you knew the movement (and complained about its limitations with armor). If you know the movement, then you should be able to practice it as I've suggested.
Let me know when you do.
(Hint: It might help you to find what you are looking for if, when you ask a question, you take the answer and do something with the answer.)
Here is just one example....
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,100 for david dow bujinkan. (0.41 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,040 for daniel weidman bujinkan. (0.19 seconds)
So rather than posting "I would love to find him," you could have done two things: (1) Googled the two of them and located them in a combined 1 full second! (2) Asked the person who recommended the teachers if he knew their contact information.
Instead, you allow other people's posts (and your ego that you "know real fighting") to detract you from what *SUPPOSEDLY* was your complaint--that in your dojo and the dojo nearby, you cannot find the training you are looking for....
So why not just spend the day *NOT POSTING* and instead follow up on the two points that have been raised for you: (1) See if you can figure out how to do Age Uchi *WITHOUT* the bo (and *WITHOUT* your teacher) and (2) Find David or Dan?
It's just a suggestion.
-ben
A friend of mine just got out the the SEAL's 2 years ago. They did a simplified version of Yoshin Ryu JuJutsu. Not MMA. I am not saying that some special forces don't do MMA, but to say ALL is a little broad.
The trojan horse was a gift too...![]()
And a fictional scenario added to the original story by a roman becuase he felt the original was boring...
unless of course you are talking about the fictional side of the tactic...then that makes more sense![]()