Everyone you know who has built up strength. ok. I'd say this is really a Faulty generalization (or hasty generalization, or biased sample etc.). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization Seriously, all of these strawmen are not based on anything anyone has said in this conversation (by definition). And the justification for creating the strawmen is pure anecdotal evidence. IMO this explains why many of these conversations never get anywhere .