opening new dojo - living there to save rent?

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  1. WaterGal

    WaterGal Master of Arts

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    Early classes can work, depending. We tried have a 9am Saturday kids class and a... maybe 1pm adult class, and they were both ghost towns, but the ones in the middle were fine. Then we rearranged the schedule so we had a couple of adult classes in the morning starting at 9am, and kids classes after that, and the turnout was much better. I think adults want to get up early (maybe not too early though!) and get their workout out of the way before chilling out, while kids like to sleep in or watch cartoons in the morning and then go have a fun class with their friends after lunch.
     
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    WaterGal Master of Arts

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    FWIW, we have an instructor that also teaches a class at a rec center, and that's what they do. They pay $X/student as an independent contractor. It's some cut of the tuition the student pays, like 1/2 or 2/3, I don't recall the exact split.
     
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    Heck, if folks are asking, I'd give it a go with something temporary. Folks are more likely to rouse themselves for a short-term commitment, so if turnout is bad, it's probably going to be worse for the ongoing class.
     
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    The rec center I taught at had two options. You could rent the room per hour (something like $15/hour) and keep all income, or you let them take registration and they kept 25%.
     
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    I would not mind training (or giving trainings) in a backyard (if it was not for the weather). Garage or adapted room would be a better cheap alternative.

    Whatever you decide, I would advise to make it self sufficient. You could give your time, at best, but other costs must be paid by students. Your offer is for them. Spend as much as they can pay.

    Very few make any significant money in martial arts, so investing now for future profit may work, but it is risky. Focus on your main job. Give martial training a try, as a side job or hobby. If it goes well, it could become the main job... but that is a big step.
     
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  6. 333kenshin

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    Good question - I need to get more details from them. The sense I get is that if they like my teaching style, they contract me at a fixed hourly rate regardless of student count. Obviously I have to hold my own in terms of the class being good enough to merit renewal into the next session. It's an interesting model, contrasted to most of the other places I've reached out to being based on renting the space at a fixed dollar price per hour and they not playing any role in finding students. I wonder if I could collaborate with them initially for a while as a form of lead generation, but I'm not sure if there are ethical concerns around such an approach. Of course that question is moot in the likely case their contract features a non-compete clause.
     
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    Would this space you 'rent' be in an active gym or sport complex? If so I think collaboration is a very good idea and, assuming you have a good product, a win-win for both sides. If done properly, this could be something done on a long term basis and save both sides money. Something you can take to the negotiation table if necessary.
    If you rent space by the hour, do you always know what day and times you will have the space? This is something very important when promoting your business most of the time. Revolving hours would be hard(er) on drawing clientele.
    If you are renting from an existing MA location I would think a 'non-compete' the way you describe it could be tenuous. If the other instructor is open minded, forward thinking, and confident in is craft I could see real advantage in 'adding' another style to the whole products offering. If the other instructor is an 'ancient Chinese secret' guy, I imagine it could be troublesome.
     
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    i suspect that making any money teaching ma, with out having a good amount of money to invest is tricky, and even then.

    if you cant afford to rent a space and a home, then you havent got enough cash put by to invest AND when it all goes '''' up youve nowhere to live
     
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    That's what my instructor does. He rents the space from an Aikido school, though I don't know the details of the arrangement123
     

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