This has nothing to do with Kukkiwon, ITF, TSD, HKD, any style at all. While my involvement in Taekwondo and standup martial arts is not as prominent as I would like right now, I am still a 2nd dan and still an instructor so I feel it's necessary to comment on what I perceive as a dangerous or destructive trend. Without any disrespect intended, and with no one teacher or black belt in mind, the idea that one can learn effective self defense in a few classes, or a two hour seminar, is frankly ridiculous. The principles of combat are essential to self defense. There isn't a chance that any respectable black belt, in any style, doesn't realize this, and yet these seminars and four week courses keep popping up. What this says for our community, as martial artists, teachers, combat athletes and coaches is far from positive. Is our integrity worth that little? Can we afford as a community to teach a couple of wrist locks and a punch to people who feel a need to defend themselves, and let them out in the world believing they can fight off an attacker? I wouldn't think so. Of course there is profit in it, but in my mind it's nothing short of predatory. It's not that different from the recent Team Lloyd Irvin scandal, just a different focus-the promise of being a championship fighter rather than the promise of being able to defend oneself. Furthermore I'd like an opinion on this. It's something I feel strongly about, obviously. Do you think that effective self defense can be taught in a seminar or even a few weeks of a course? Can effective self defense be taught without an understanding of combat? Sure, techniques can. What happens when the technique fails, and our theoretical student has no idea what to do next? One cannot teach every circumstance, but one can certainly teach principles and ideas, that are applied and used to arrive at the next step. I think all of you understand the perception of martial arts instructors in North America-to some they are superhuman, to others they are snake oil salesmen. Taking advantage of the first group will only make the second grow. Also, I fully understand the criticisms of KKW taekwondo in general. That's not the point of this thread, I would very much appreciate a sensible discussion of the matter at hand. Thank you.