It never hurts to try, I've talked to CCW people on some of the other forums I frequent who say that after a polite, professional conversation they've gotten the manager/owner to "see the light" and change their policy.Grenadier said:If you want to give it one last ditch effort, you could always talk to the guy in charge of the store, and have a pleasant conversation with him. You could simply point out that criminals won't obey that sign, and that the people he is discriminating against have a much better track record than the average citizen.
It probably won't help, since most ignorant, discriminatory people are immune to logic.
Let's see how you feel when your butt is on the line and you don't even have a knife, let alone a firearm. Oh wait, I forgot, England doesn't have crime since they banned all the weapons...silly me.swiftpete said:
With all due respect, I don't live in the US, nor do I live in the UK any longer, but I grew up in a very rough, socially deprived area in Northern England, and lived for a number of years in central London. I can tell you from personal first hand experience that I never needed, nor do I ever expect to need, to carry a weapon of any sort, I repect the right of a US citizen to bear arms, it is in your constitution, and more power to those who feel the need to do so, I however am not a US citizen, and as I stated, I simply do not have the need to be armed, perhaps it would be better to not patronize a person from another culture of which you have no experience.kenpotex said:Let's see how you feel when your butt is on the line and you don't even have a knife, let alone a firearm. Oh wait, I forgot, England doesn't have crime since they banned all the weapons...silly me.
I believe the response to swiftpete's coment was very appropriate. I would like to think he was just being a friendly smart@$$ and not a US hateing jack@$$ but I do beleive that he was the one patronizing a person from another culture of which he had no experience.swiftpete said:
Granted, his comment was not in the best of taste, nor was it particularly tactful, but I didn't see it as directly rude, whereas Kenpotex's comment could be seen as thus (by the way Kenpotex this is not meant as a personal attack, I have otherwise found your posts to be informative and well thought out, sometimes all of us can get a bee in our bonnet about something we hold dear)Wild Bill said:
), but I maintain the belief, as I have previously stated on this board, that guns beget guns, in a society where a vast majority of the potential victims of the predators of the world are armed, it is my feeling that those predators are yet more likely to be armed, and, worse still, more likely to use any weapon they may carry, in order subdue a potentially dangerous prey.It's their protected right to set whatever rules they see fit for the us of their property, and to exclude anyone for any reason (other than those protected under the Equal Rights or ADA acts).
Unless they are actively campaigning to take your weapon when not on their property I fail to see how they are not respecting your rights. You do have a right to not use their store. They have a right to ask you not to carry in their store. Respect is best when it is applied in both directions.Wild Bill said:
*little kid's voice* "But he started it."Simon Curran said:
Good points, once again it was not intended to look like a personal attack on you, and I do understand your reaction.kenpotex said:*little kid's voice* "But he started it."
Seriously though, You have articulated your feelings on weapons in various posts, and while I don't agree, I respect you and your right to your opinion because you conduct yourself in a mature manner. Swiftpete on the other hand; in one of his only 3 posts on this board (and the only one dealing with gun-rights, American gun-rights at that) decided to imply that there's something wrong with my country because many of us choose to exercise our right to bear arms. If that was not his intention and he was just being "tongue-in-cheek," then I apologize for my rudeness. If that was his intention, then I stand by both what I said and the manner in which I said it.
