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  1. jobo

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    ive already said, if there was new terminolgy it doesnt come to mind, it would be inacurate of me to state non, when that isnt an absolute truth that i cant verify.

    to the best of my recall, there was no new termonolgy required to play american pie or any other the other pop clasics that i learnt, that isnt in most peoples, certainly mine existing lexicography,

    i supose if someone managed to reach adult hood with out knowing what a fret was, there may some learning required
     
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    gpseymour MT Moderator Staff Member

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    That you already knew the specialized terms isn’t the issue, really. They are still specialized terms. Some became part of the English language, but didn’t start there.
     
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    hang on are you say the term " fret" wasnt part of the english language to start off with ?

    so when exactly did it get an entry in the english dictionary and where did it start.

    you do know its called a fret but of its similarity to fret work?, i suspect the word came into use before it was applied to guitars and not the otherway round
     
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    So.. if I'm understanding you correctly, the answer is no; you would need someone to read and translate the music into something you could understand. I guess you could call that 'no problem' if you want.
     
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    but someone has to translate the music in to writen music in the first place, so everyone needs a translation unless they are Mozart ,
     
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    No, there is no translation. We have a language for music, you just haven't learned it.
     
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    no the music is translated in to writen form, how do you think it gets there,?

    its intrinsically no different to translating it into 1s and 0s, it isnt the music just a way of denoting it
     
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    Yes. My point being we have a language for that. You don't know it.
     
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    its not a language, any more than binary is a language
     
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    Binary is a language. So is C. So is musical notation. So is Italian. So is Swahili. That you don't understand them is irrelevant.
     
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    binary is not a language, just saying it is doesnt make it so, C is a language, music notation is not, Italian is, swahili is not

    the swahili are a people, their language is Kiswahili,
     
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    Interestingly misleading post. I never said that.
     
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    What definition of language are you using that doesn't include binary?
     
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    Semantics; it is the method by which musicians communicate music to each other in written form. Your attitude seems to be "I don't need to bother". Which is fine, that's on you - but my point is simply that you are denying yourself the learning experience, and by definition therefore speaking from a position of ignorance. Seems a shame to revel in apathy and ignorance to me, but YMMV.

    And to reiterate; my initial point was in response to the question 'why bother?'. And my answer remains the obvious one - if YOU want to learn something from someone else, you don't in any way have the 'moral right' to demand they teach you, in any manner.
     
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    the same one that doesnt include having one tin of beans
     
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    Super helpful. Good luck with your discussion.
     
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    but it doesnt communicate music, does it ?
     
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    dont like that one, how about when the sun comes up, is that a language, or i turn my phone on is that a language?
     
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    yes you did, you said it wasnt part of the english language till after it was a technical term, which in its own right is a daft thing to say
     
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    here it is

    it didnt start as part of the english language ???????123
     

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