Intensive martial arts training

[darkmind]

Hi everybody,

I am looking for an opportunity to emerge myself as deeply as possible in stuying a marial art, therefore I would like to find some opportunity to train full time with a qualified instructor. The art itself would probably be either some form of kung fu or aikido, and regarding location:
Of course the training camps in Asia have a great appeal seeing as they are a complete new experience for a Westerner, but as I do not have much money to spend, I am not certain that I could go to Japan and study aikido there, since living expenses are quite high to my knowledge.
Thus I would really love to know some instructors in Germany who could train me full time. Does anybody have any knowledge on this?
Also, New York would be an alternative.
I have only a medium experience in boxing and thinking about half or a full year.

Any feedback will greatly help me, thank you for your time.

 

[Flying Crane]

what are you hoping to get out of this? Honestly, this is a fantasy that a lot of people hold but they really don't know what it implies or what the reality of such an endeavor would be. So why do you want to do this, and how do you think this will be better than simply finding a good instructor and training with him2-4 times a week for the next bunch of years?

And you say you don't have much money, how do you expect to support yourself for the duration of a full-time training schedule?

 

[frank raud]

So , you are asking for help about choosing between some kind of Chinese art, or maybe Aikido, training in Asia, Europe or North America, don't have much money, and want to be a full time student for 6-12 months?

 

[MAist25]

Yea.... Honestly this is a fantasy. How do you even know its really what you want if you state that you have minimal martial arts experience? My advice would be to completely wipe this idea out of your head and just look around your neighborhood for a good school. Possibly after training for a few years and after learning the basics you could then look into going to Asia to do some training in the home-country of whatever art you study.

 

[Cyriacus]

Ill just verify that everyone else here is on the right track

 

[Touch Of Death]

Hi everybody,

I am looking for an opportunity to emerge myself as deeply as possible in stuying a marial art, therefore I would like to find some opportunity to train full time with a qualified instructor. The art itself would probably be either some form of kung fu or aikido, and regarding location:
Of course the training camps in Asia have a great appeal seeing as they are a complete new experience for a Westerner, but as I do not have much money to spend, I am not certain that I could go to Japan and study aikido there, since living expenses are quite high to my knowledge.
Thus I would really love to know some instructors in Germany who could train me full time. Does anybody have any knowledge on this?
Also, New York would be an alternative.
I have only a medium experience in boxing and thinking about half or a full year.

Any feedback will greatly help me, thank you for your time.

See a Temple Kung Fu near you.

 

[darkmind]

Well, thanks everybody for sharing your opinion. First of all I would like to point out that I realize this sounds naive and stuff, but if it does not work for me it will not work for me, and I will see it for myself, although the issues you raised are of course legitimate concerns.
To the question of why:
Well, of course you have the advance in a martial art form, which is always great. But more importantly, I am looking for an activity tha will challenge me day in and day out, as I am hoping that the enourmous labours will not only improve my technical , but also my spiritual skills. Please forgive if this sounds stupid to you, however it is something, may it be a fantasy or not, which I deeply desire to do, and therefore some actual suggestions where such a training would be possbile will greatly help me. If this will not be a good idea than no reasonable (of course finding one is not that easy) instructor would agree to teach me full time. By the way, I would like to mention that there are many people who have very limited exposure to martial art and went to China for such an intensive training and still came back and report to be quite happy that they did it.

 

[Cyriacus]

Well, thanks everybody for sharing your opinion. First of all I would like to point out that I realize this sounds naive and stuff, but if it does not work for me it will not work for me, and I will see it for myself, although the issues you raised are of course legitimate concerns.
To the question of why:
Well, of course you have the advance in a martial art form, which is always great. But more importantly, I am looking for an activity tha will challenge me day in and day out, as I am hoping that the enourmous labours will not only improve my technical , but also my spiritual skills. Please forgive if this sounds stupid to you, however it is something, may it be a fantasy or not, which I deeply desire to do, and therefore some actual suggestions where such a training would be possbile will greatly help me. If this will not be a good idea than no reasonable (of course finding one is not that easy) instructor would agree to teach me full time. By the way, I would like to mention that there are many people who have very limited exposure to martial art and went to China for such an intensive training and still came back and report to be quite happy that they did it.

You do not need to go to China.
Find a Dojo that offers what You want. Theyre all over the place.

Im sure They did. Did They try and find a local or not-so-local Dojo offering more or less the same stuff, first? Plus, why not ask these many people where They trained, and decide from that?

Listen, friend. If You just want People to pat You on the back and praise Your notion, You may want to try a different topic.
As for where to do it, Your local Dojo.
Optionally, if You did absolutely desire to travel around the world, the best thing to do is try and ask people who are a part of those circles. Just dont expect to be directed to the sacred Temple - Expect to be directed to the wall-boxed in area of sweat, blood, and tears where spiritual things happen to be involved after the training. Youre honestly going to be more able to find this sort of thing locally.
Watch this:
http://chinesekungfu.com.au/
Google provides!
As for finding a full time Instructor, yeah, sure. If You can pay them for the full time work. Youre not likely to get into a Karate Kid situation where someone takes You under Their wing. Itd be a professional arrangement.
Were not trying to impose our opinions, Were mostly trying to help.

Lastly, before You say what I think You will, Training Camps are optimal for people who are already trained Martial Artists looking to amp up. A Thai Boxer could go to Thailand to a Thai Training Camp, to get better. But not as many people will go there to learn from scratch with minimalistic past experience. That isnt saying You shouldnt. Its saying that it isnt so black and white.

 

[Chris Parker]

Reality check time.

You do realise that most of those people who went over to China, or Japan to study martial arts were still only training a couple of nights a week, and had to have a job, pay bills, and basically support themselves while they were there? And the main reason they went over was because it was the only option? You have other options. Look around where you are now. See what martial arts schools are local to you. Start there. You may go to China or Japan later in your career for more intensive development, but why would you think that you'd get that by just moving over with no basis whatsoever to begin with? And what happens if you go to another country, and don't get accepted into a training program as you want it? Or it doesn't exist?

This is purely movie-fantasy stuff here. You haven't taken into account finances, language issues, culture issues, the availability of what you're after, and far more. Start training first, then think about this. Otherwise you really won't have much of a martial art career.

 

[darkmind]

It's really interesting that people attack me here for something I never said. If you read my original post I explicitly say that I am looking for such opportunities in Germany and New York, basically because this is where I would have some folks who would accommodate me if necessary.
The reason I mentioned people who go to China is because I wanted to demonstrate that full time training is indeed possible, also for the not so much experienced. By the way, they stay at their school and get food, usually English translators are there too. One example pf such a school would be this:
http://www.shaolins.com/ Costs including air fare and visum and tuiton etc. for half a year would be something like 5000 dollars, which is an impressive but no impossible sum.

Another thing is the uchideshi program, where aikido students live with their master and train every day. Those programs are not only often to find in Japan, but also the USA, costs include training and logically accommodation and are something like 400 dollars a month. For example here: http://www.aaa-aikido.com/uchideshi_program.htm
Of course the question to consider is if they would take someone who has no experience in aikido, but this is something one can only find out by doing.

Besides, I have already found a school in Germany who offers full time ving tsun training, basically 5000 dollar for half a year, accommodation not included.

So, in conclusion although it admittedly sounds naive, I have had more than two thoughts about this subject, which is therefore not movie fantasy stuff.
My intention in opening up this thread was to here from people who have knowledge in martial arts where such opportunities exist. If anyone knows of anymore I would be very glad. Thank you.

 

[Cyriacus]

So, in conclusion although it admittedly sounds naive, I have had more than two thoughts about this subject, which is therefore not movie fantasy stuff.
My intention in opening up this thread was to here from people who have knowledge in martial arts where such opportunities exist. If anyone knows of anymore I would be very glad. Thank you.

You will be going to a Martial Arts outlet to learn a Martial Art.
-A much simplified version of My previous Reply.

People arent attacking You. Theyre not even criticising You. Theyre saying that You really dont need to go to such a specialised program, at least not right away.

 

[frank raud]

It's really interesting that people attack me here for something I never said. If you read my original post I explicitly say that I am looking for such opportunities in Germany and New York, basically because this is where I would have some folks who would accommodate me if necessary.
The reason I mentioned people who go to China is because I wanted to demonstrate that full time training is indeed possible, also for the not so much experienced. By the way, they stay at their school and get food, usually English translators are there too. One example pf such a school would be this:
http://www.shaolins.com/ Costs including air fare and visum and tuiton etc. for half a year would be something like 5000 dollars, which is an impressive but no impossible sum.

Another thing is the uchideshi program, where aikido students live with their master and train every day. Those programs are not only often to find in Japan, but also the USA, costs include training and logically accommodation and are something like 400 dollars a month. For example here: http://www.aaa-aikido.com/uchideshi_program.htm
Of course the question to consider is if they would take someone who has no experience in aikido, but this is something one can only find out by doing.

Besides, I have already found a school in Germany who offers full time ving tsun training, basically 5000 dollar for half a year, accommodation not included.

So, in conclusion although it admittedly sounds naive, I have had more than two thoughts about this subject, which is therefore not movie fantasy stuff.
My intention in opening up this thread was to here from people who have knowledge in martial arts where such opportunities exist. If anyone knows of anymore I would be very glad. Thank you.

If you can find accomadations in Chicago for $400.00 a month, you would be doing well. I didn't see pricing on the link you provided, but it does say that uchi-deshi can have day jobs, and will train 4 hours a day. Which again, you can do with many local dojos(the 4 hours training) without uprooting yourself, traveling to another continent, and submerging yourself in a foriegn culture(ironic when you want to learn ANOTHER culture's art by submitting to be uchi-deshi).

 

[jasonbrinn]

If you can find accomadations in Chicago for $400.00 a month, you would be doing well. I didn't see pricing on the link you provided, but it does say that uchi-deshi can have day jobs, and will train 4 hours a day. Which again, you can do with many local dojos(the 4 hours training) without uprooting yourself, traveling to another continent, and submerging yourself in a foriegn culture(ironic when you want to learn ANOTHER culture's art by submitting to be uchi-deshi).

Not sure what is going on currently with Ligo sensei but this is an incredible and incredibly HARD opportunity if it still exists. Also, understand that as I know it the program does require you to work a few hours each day as well to help support the program. However, Ligo sensei is the REAL deal and I can say this cause I have trained at his school and experienced it first hand. Take your time reading the site over and then give him a call. Remember that anything great requires nothing less.

http://www.budokaratehouse.com/

 

[Carol]

I'm going to take a different tactic here. Go for it if you can find such a program. Set your goals high and learn everything you can about your art, about life, and about self sufficiency. I see a lot of young people doing very little with their lives moaning that they don't know what they want to study in college, or what they want to do with their life. The answers to these questions come from trying different things and taking on challenges.

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[Brian R. VanCise]

Intensive training is great. I think if you can get some serious intensive training that it would be good. However, pretty much rule out the idea that anyone is going to teach you for free over a long period of time and also that anyone (even friends) are going to put you up and feed you over a long time. That is pretty much fantasy. Instead, if you want to train abroad figure it out so that you can have a job, pay rent, pay an instructor and train. Pretty simple and has been done for a long time by a lot of different people. I have people regularly come into Las Vegas for weekend intensive training. Quite often they are current IRT students but we also have people come in just interested in the system and wanting to learn more. However it is not free as my time is very valuable to me! Most things in life simply are not free! Especially if they have value! Good luck!

 

[rickster]

Intense Training=Intense Mentality.

First, finances have to be in order
Second, what short goals have been accomplished?

(If you cannot complete short goals, intense training can never be obtained0