Discussion in 'The Great Debate' started by RRouuselot, Aug 19, 2005.
I am interested in any information on Dr. Gyi (he teaches Bando) be it good or bad.
Ive heard his skills are good but his war stories are questionable.
He is incredable and his "war stories" are not questionable. Dr Gyi is on the WKKA board of directors. www.wkka.org When I had a test in front of the WKKA board of directors about 10 years ago my dad was present. Afterwards my dad came up to me and asked me who the white haired gentleman was. I told him that was Dr Mong Gyi. The next words out of his mouth was "I thought he looked familar, he taught me knife fighting techniques in the corp". That was back in ohhhhh 1967 I think, he was with 1st marine div 1st recon if my memory serves me correctly and was trained by Dr Gyi back then.
There are plenty of questions.....
Again. Hes probably a gifted martial artist...still.
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...but i bet he's a great martial artist.
i wonder what people would think if their own instructor was accused of lies, theft, and down-right ********...?
but he's a great martial artist. :idunno:
oh, my apologies as my post is probably unfitting for the topic at hand. but since all i know of Dr. Gyi is for the most part negative stuff, i felt most compelled to post something i do have a good understanding of, and this is character. what does this have to do with Gyi...? probably nothing.
So I guess my question is if the guy has skill like some people claim then why does he need to make up fairy tales (read lies) about his past?
It would seem if he is really that skilled then his skills could stand on their own.
As far as teaching military and law enforcement
It might sound really kool to some novice but its not all its cracked up to be.
I have taught many military units and military law enforcement people. Basically anything is better than some of the crap they have been taught.
I do find people that claim to have been, but never were, in the military, especially combat, to be extremely offensive. Even more so when they claim to have confirmed kills in hand to hand. That just wreaks cowardice.
Unfortunately these days it seems many MA people havent got the moral fiber to tell the truth and lies are considered just an everyday part of marketing themselves.
Gyi's stories of combat are lies- so the question of the effectiveness of his art is questionable. If he had used stuff in combat, then we would know it worked. If some of his students had used his stuff in combat we would know the same and that he could pass those skills along to others.
But Gyi never seems to have been in combat and I know of no stories of his students using his weapons skills in combat. Incidents with knives by trained users are very low in the US.
So we are left with what we feel to be effective- and we have all had feelings about things turn out to be wrong- and simulated combat. The problem with the latter is that it is not combat and there may be things you can do in combat that would make you lose in competition and vice versa.
I have heard that a guy named Charles Daniel did some simulated combat with some students of Gyi's and won easily. I think I should point out that Daniel is a very skilled weapons man with a wide background. I do not even know the name of the person or person whom he sparred with. But from what I hear, it was a very one- sided battle.
Again, this defeat of the Gyi students was not real combat. But it is about the only thing we can judge it by. Had they won the fight, it would have proved nothing. Losing also proves nothing. But we have no real use of the weapon skills to judge them by.
I have met him several times in person and I like him a lot. He is a very knowledgeable martial artist and a skilled instructor, and also very charismatic. His knife stuff is good and definitely seems oriented toward combat as opposed to self-defense--more stabbing, less laying back and defanging the snake, for instance.
I have no opinion on his war record. I do see the relevance, but the question does not appear to be settled, so I take no stance on it.
Where, as martial artists and "warriors" does one draw a line between obtaining a skill and associating with persons of questionable character? Is "getting good stuff" enough to overlook the 500lb gorilla in the corner?
Everyone talking about the quality of the man is in the right area, I think. If your car salesman is a liar, your only going to loose money. If this guy was teaching people how to sell things, and he turned out to be a liar about his personal success in sales, he would be out of business.
The military people have no respect for his claims and don't respect his lies from reading the links. They have done it for real. If they think the person is more important than the skill, why aren't people reading the signs? The lies could mean his art is not proven too.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I'm surprised this thread has lasted the 13 posts that it has...
[sarcasm]Boys and girls, have we not learned anything from the lectures on that "other" thread? Have we not taken the lessons our esteemed staff have seen fit to gift us with to heart? Mr. Gyi is not here to defend himself, so we had all best cease and desist...[/sarcasm]
This quote is exactly why these kinds of threads, ongoing and more than just links to other sites, need to be allowed:
Whether it is Gyi, Dillman, Mooney, or any number of other people who make claims that are either wholly fraudulent or patently absurd, sometimes people just won't believe that the story they've swallowed, regardless who they received it from, might be a lie.
And there's a huge difference between teaching HTH to Marines, being in the Marines, and being in combat with the Marines.
Whatever. I expect righteous discipline to fall from the sky like sheets of flame at any moment...
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1) Amen to that
2) Good God I had forgotten about Mooney. Yes, some people are more into the myth than the martial side of the arts.
3) Which goes back to what I said before
..training military people is not exactly what it seems. Odd how Gyi is not mentioned in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Handbook
..you would think a person that had such a great rapport would be in it or at least mentioned in it.
I have always found that the people (members or staff) that cry foul or show animosity towards threads that expose individuals are usually the ones with a few skeletons in their closet concerning their own training
maybe these threads hit too close to home
Why? There was absolutely nothing wrong with this thread until your last post. I'm disappointed in your behaviour over this matter, Matt. You seem to be taking things far too personally. I am but one of the staff who would have been more than vigorous in applying to keep this thread open and the topic discussable, if for no other reason than to prove you and Robert wrong in your claims of staff conspiracy. But with your generalizations regarding the way this board is managed and moderated, you've sold me up the river and lost an advocate. I don't understand what has precipitated this uncharacteristic departure from reasonability.
Apparently, Martial Arts and POW rescue missions are not the entire extent of his skills...
Perhaps the impending "retirement" has its roots in declining seminar attendance due to the recent "bad press"?
I doubt that. The camps are for people that are looking for a certain type of training environment. The camps are done rain or shine in a state park. The weather has a way of affecting your training experience. Ive been to two of them. Im glad I did them, but dont plan on repeating the experience. I prefer to train in a school, college or hotels for the camps. Nothing wrong with outdoor training, I just prefer the predictability of training indoors.
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