Had a Seizure in Jiu Jitsu Class Today

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  1. kuniggety

    kuniggety Black Belt

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    It's not just about cracking under pressure as a whole like in a sport. You're going to be constantly putting yourself into new and uncomfortable positions. The first time you get a guy (or I guess gal) who massively outweighs you in north/south position and smothers your face with the girth of their chest or stomachs, it will suck. You really can not breath then. You'll have your face sat on. You'll have your gi pulled over your face which just make breathing harder. If it's just a one time thing for you, then great, but don't expect it to just be only this one time.
     
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    I wasn't suggesting 4 times a week, that was a personal decision and if you're planning on doing it long-term will more than likely lead to burnout. I think 2 times a week is fine for most MA's as long as you're not competing (1 time a week can help, but you will progress much slower than you want). Since your wife is pregnant don't focus on it too much as you'll still progress once a week, it will just be slow.
     
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    The only reason why I was panicking so much was because I was unable to tap despite reaching my pain limit. I expect that I will be put in worse moves but I will not panic as I can just tap out.

    I'm not even sure it would be classified as tunnel vision. I was trying hard to tap out for a while, it was only when I realised that I couldn't when I started panicking. Either way, it's unlikely to happen again.
     
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    Completely agree, but at the risk of sounding uppity &/or condescending to James, which I'm not trying to be, maybe his skill level isn't there yet. You could do it, most likely I could, lots of skilled people know how to work the situation, but keep in mind, James let a 12 y/o get both hands around his neck, tight enough that he was unable to talk. That happened to you on the ground recently?

    As I said, james, that sounds crappy, which I don't intend. Mistakes get made on the mat all the time, by everyone, me included. I'll bet ya one thing, I bet you're moving earlier next time that anyone has their hands approaching your neck, eh? That is a VERY good lesson to internalize.
     
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    Not being able to tap out can show up in a lot of ways... the most common is that the technique being used on you takes place before you have the time you need to realize that it is too late. Less common, and somewhat what happened in your O/P was when the limb you reflexively use to tap is held/constrained... or as in this case, ignored. That's a risk of working with beginners as well, some are very talented naturally, some are just crazy lucky, and either of them can put a hurtin' on ya.

    But, I think you're right, for a group of reasons, I bet this doesn't, or things anything like it, ever happen again.
     
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    Oh don't worry about that, it's obvious that you're speaking with good intentions. I haven't run into that kind of attitude and the gym handled it well.

    There was a lack of skill in the build up to the choke, I was definitely sparring complacently. And from then on, he won fair and squareish. I still feel like the continous gagging should have been good enough indication to let go but I'm not going to blame an 11 year old for something he wasn't taught.

    It wouldn't be fair to say ignored. He just didn't realise that I was tapping with my feet. He probably didn't realise that my hands were constrained.

    You see, 2 months in and I'm already breaking new grounds.
     
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    James, in Muay Thai class, in the dim annals of my history, they guy who was sort of the assistant instructor (guy started in Muay Thai after 20 years as a Golden Gloves boxing instructor... who does that?) had a saying: Anybody can get caught. Don't get uppity. It's true. All one has to do to understand that is to go back and review surprising victories in combat sports over the last 40 years to find shining examples of, "That guy go SO lucky ..."

    On the 11 year old not knowing what gagging sounds are.... Man you're making me laugh at anecdotal stuff I can write about which is only consisten in thread because it's funny - to anyone who wasn't IN it -- I am wondering if that kid wasn't scared brownypants to be rolling with a guy your size int he first place. Then, somehow (to him) he finds himself in a position of advantage and his whole world focuses down into keeping that grip and if he can do anything, make it tighter (a different form of tunnel vision, eh...).

    Well... probably freak out took place while you were out for those few seconds with and by everyone who was Not unconscious, and by the time you revived to ... er ... sobriety, they were relatively back to normal. I think that quite a few very good lessons were learned on that mat during that sequence. Your own, we've beaten up in this thread and your attitude shows it's stuck. Sorry about the neat-O turtleneck bruising.... really I am. Closest I can compare is I was passing my instructor's guard once, and was working my way from side control into a mount/front choke (baseball grip) and he was blocking my elbow with his elbow and I kept coming, pressure increasing, pressure increasing and then all of the sudden our arms slipped off of each other and Wham! All that potential energy converted in a fraction of a second into kinetic energy whih accelerated... and ended up with his elbow being blocked by my face. My suborbital arch (cheekbone) as it happens. Distinct cracking sound emanated from the impact.

    I found myself on my back, him crouched over me. "You OK?" Me: "I think we broke my face."

    We hadn't, the X-rays showed. But I got a nifty set of double black eyes which I sported for nearly a month before all the interesting colors faded back to normal.

    Ah well... we both learned something that day, probably more than one each, once set physical, the other set... background mental I guess you'd call it.
     
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    I'm not trying to be uppity. He won, perhaps if we sparred again he would win again. I'm just saying that I wasn't sparring to my full potential on the build up to the mount. That doesn't diminish his win. His groundwork was superior, he had the strength to shimmy to a higher mount and pin me and then the skill to maintain it to set up the choke irrelevant if the pin was aided by luck.

    I expect the reverse tunnel vision is what happened, even though I cannot imagine why since I have the friendliest face going. I have this weird ability where any baby placed in front of me laughs and you don't understand just how many stray cats have followed me home (and occasionally kept). But yes, I could see how it would be intimidating. It's out of his comfort zone and the height difference is probably over a foot. I would have been scared at his age as well. Actually, at his age I would probably be playing dungeons and dragons, shying away from all physical activities.

    There were no freak outs, my instructor was calm and handled the situation well. The kid was a little freaked out but was soon laughing about it, my dad jokes are advanced now. I told him that he should have kept the hold for longer as my sinuses were beginning to clear, which actually was kind of true lol. Sinuses were blocked all day up until then. So I guess there's something I learned, if your nose is ever blocked, forget nasal spray this is where it's at.

    Black eyes suck, I had one back in my scandalous days and the amount of "what happened?" questions you get is unreal, worse than the actual injury. It's fun to play around with that (responding by telling them the first rule of fight club eg.) but I think every person I walked into asked me, some even asking twice and it got so annoying.

    Well anyway thank you, I have learned things! There's a lot of experts here to do that. Good luck with your own sparring future.
     
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    He "rape choked" you, lol.
     
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    I thought we all agreed on The Hollywood Psycho choke?
     
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    Edit: Oops, thought I was editing my last post but turned out I created another one. I'm an idiot!
     

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