Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
What are some of the different ways you use to train forms?
Forms Training.....
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Rob_Broad
Guest
I often like to practice my forms blindfolded, I find it is great for the balance and for my spatial orientation. It really builts your concentration and confidence to be able to do the form with out looking.
With the dictionary set of forms I like to do them forward and see if I can do them backwards. This allows me to find the flaws in my motion. It is a challenge and you really get to explore the mechanics of every move this way.
With the dictionary set of forms I like to do them forward and see if I can do them backwards. This allows me to find the flaws in my motion. It is a challenge and you really get to explore the mechanics of every move this way.
I like to practise in wierd or unusual places, like shopping centres or elevators. I find then, that i don't get stuck if our instructor has us start from a different position.
--Dave:asian:
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Klondike93
Master Black Belt
I've never really thought of doing them any way other than just the way I was shown. Is there something I'm missing by not experimenting with doing them in a different way?
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Rainman
Guest
Somtimes I use weights on ankles and wrists. It is usefull when I am feeling lathargic and when they come off I am able to speed back up to a normal pace.
Liveing in a wooded area I like to practice outside, in the woods,or on the uneven terrain of the side of a mountian.
Shadow
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Kirk
Guest
So is the general advice here to add resistance or difficulty to
your forms when you practice them?
your forms when you practice them?
Sigung86
2nd Black Belt
The original ideas of forms, prior to Kenpo, as it were, was to have a way to remember the moves of the system, and to simulate fighting conditions when you were not in ... ahhh. fighting conditions (sans partner).
The traditions of Kenpo tend to dictate that we owe it to ourselves, and the system to be thinking warriors (if you'll allow me that euphemism). So, once you have taken the forms and learned them in their basic format, it behooves you to work with them in different modalities. Long Four, for instance, done with weights on the ankles and hands, or done in a total mirror image.
If you would like to see just a sample of what this does to your mind set, and if you have hair long enough to part, try parting it on the other side for a week. It's amazing that such a small thing can make a difference in the way you perceive your surroundings.
Or, if you don't have the length of hair to do that ... Pick something else that you do on a daily basis, that is, an ingrained pattern. Change how you do it for a week. It will make minor conscious changes... Nothing major, no big enlightenment, but you might be surprised at what you perceptions.
Dan
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
- Thread Starter
- #9
Well that's good! That's how we learn. Let me share a few methods of training that has been very successful for me and over a hundred plus students that have taken State and International Championships and developed just good plain Kenpo skills with. Consider some of the following.......
1) Slow Motion Training
The intention of this method is to increase the understanding
and technical "form" within the set.
Perform the form or set extremely slow, and place emphasis
on the exact execution of each movement. Do not "skim" over
areas which may seem insignificant or vague. Carefully
examine each movement for a awareness, execution, and
form.
2) Isolation Training
Here the intention is to separate the upper body movements
(exact blocking and arm actions) from the lower body
movements (stance and footwork) and examine each in great
detail.
UPPER BODY
Perform the set at medium speed with concentration on the
exact execution and form of all hand, arm, shoulder, head,
and upper postures only.
LOWER BODY
Perform the set exactly the same as above except place your
hands in your belt or on your hips so as not to be tempted to
use them. Isolate only on the footwork and stances.
3) Tension Training
This method teaches overall body strength and breathing.
The set is performed very, very slowly as in Slow motion
Training except you will now be "tensing", your entire body
isometricly. Once you begin "tensing", do not relax until
the set is complete. While in "tense" mode you must breath
independently of your physical actions. to benefit totally your
must exert a maximum effort.
4) Power Training
The intention of POWER TRAINING emphasizes the
development of maximum power in all movements.
As the set is performed, execute each movement
with "Maximum Power and Speed", even though that
particular segment of the set does not require full force.
Movements should be powerful but transitions smooth.
5) Torque Training
The intention here is to increase your "torqueing awareness"
and focus.
The set is performed rather slowly with medium speed. At
the completion of each movement "torque" the move and
tense the entire body.
6) Speed Training
The main insight here is to expand memory and eliminate
hesitation.
Perform the set as fast as possible without the slightest
hesitation. Form, power, balance, and other considerations
will be of little importance in this method. Only speed and
continuity are stressed.
7) Blind Training
Here we study and focus on Balance so as to enhance
stability and increase some of your other senses.
Perform the set at normal speed, power, form, etc. with your
eyes closed or blindfolded. Your equilibrium in part comes
from the association of your eyes to vertical objects. Without
eyes you now must depend and train your other senses!!
8) Competition Training
This prepares you more completely for Tournament or
Competition from the preliminaries to the finish in top form
and formalities.
Perform the set as if in an actual competition. Cover the
entire event from the bow in, seating, competition call, ring
entry, set announcement, set performance, release bow, ring
exit, and reseating.
9) Belt Test Training
The intention of Belt Test Training is to prepare for belt
examination for a higher rank.
Perform the set as if in Competition Training except eliminate
all the dramatics and formalities and concentrate only on the
proper execution and form of the set.
10) Realistic Training
Here the intention stresses effectiveness with intention.
Perform the set by individual techniques imagining actual
combative situations. Execute the technique accordingly,
seeing clearly in your mind where you are striking the
opponent and how. Do not worry about how you look --
rather how effective you were.
11) Mental Conditioning Training
The intention of Mental Conditioning Training is to create
greater mental concentrative capabilities with conscious
control and inner harmony.
Perform the set any way you like -- fast, slow, hard, soft,
etc. -- but with a clear blank mind. Mentally you don't think
of anything -- not the set, parts of the set, your lunch, your
work, nothing. You may choose to alter the above method by
concentration on one (1) specific thing, but you must not
break concentration or let your mind wonder from your choice.
12) Other Training Methods.... etc.
There are a few intro views to chew on for a bit.
:asian:
1) Slow Motion Training
The intention of this method is to increase the understanding
and technical "form" within the set.
Perform the form or set extremely slow, and place emphasis
on the exact execution of each movement. Do not "skim" over
areas which may seem insignificant or vague. Carefully
examine each movement for a awareness, execution, and
form.
2) Isolation Training
Here the intention is to separate the upper body movements
(exact blocking and arm actions) from the lower body
movements (stance and footwork) and examine each in great
detail.
UPPER BODY
Perform the set at medium speed with concentration on the
exact execution and form of all hand, arm, shoulder, head,
and upper postures only.
LOWER BODY
Perform the set exactly the same as above except place your
hands in your belt or on your hips so as not to be tempted to
use them. Isolate only on the footwork and stances.
3) Tension Training
This method teaches overall body strength and breathing.
The set is performed very, very slowly as in Slow motion
Training except you will now be "tensing", your entire body
isometricly. Once you begin "tensing", do not relax until
the set is complete. While in "tense" mode you must breath
independently of your physical actions. to benefit totally your
must exert a maximum effort.
4) Power Training
The intention of POWER TRAINING emphasizes the
development of maximum power in all movements.
As the set is performed, execute each movement
with "Maximum Power and Speed", even though that
particular segment of the set does not require full force.
Movements should be powerful but transitions smooth.
5) Torque Training
The intention here is to increase your "torqueing awareness"
and focus.
The set is performed rather slowly with medium speed. At
the completion of each movement "torque" the move and
tense the entire body.
6) Speed Training
The main insight here is to expand memory and eliminate
hesitation.
Perform the set as fast as possible without the slightest
hesitation. Form, power, balance, and other considerations
will be of little importance in this method. Only speed and
continuity are stressed.
7) Blind Training
Here we study and focus on Balance so as to enhance
stability and increase some of your other senses.
Perform the set at normal speed, power, form, etc. with your
eyes closed or blindfolded. Your equilibrium in part comes
from the association of your eyes to vertical objects. Without
eyes you now must depend and train your other senses!!
8) Competition Training
This prepares you more completely for Tournament or
Competition from the preliminaries to the finish in top form
and formalities.
Perform the set as if in an actual competition. Cover the
entire event from the bow in, seating, competition call, ring
entry, set announcement, set performance, release bow, ring
exit, and reseating.
9) Belt Test Training
The intention of Belt Test Training is to prepare for belt
examination for a higher rank.
Perform the set as if in Competition Training except eliminate
all the dramatics and formalities and concentrate only on the
proper execution and form of the set.
10) Realistic Training
Here the intention stresses effectiveness with intention.
Perform the set by individual techniques imagining actual
combative situations. Execute the technique accordingly,
seeing clearly in your mind where you are striking the
opponent and how. Do not worry about how you look --
rather how effective you were.
11) Mental Conditioning Training
The intention of Mental Conditioning Training is to create
greater mental concentrative capabilities with conscious
control and inner harmony.
Perform the set any way you like -- fast, slow, hard, soft,
etc. -- but with a clear blank mind. Mentally you don't think
of anything -- not the set, parts of the set, your lunch, your
work, nothing. You may choose to alter the above method by
concentration on one (1) specific thing, but you must not
break concentration or let your mind wonder from your choice.
12) Other Training Methods.... etc.
There are a few intro views to chew on for a bit.
:asian:
Robbo
Purple Belt
That was awesome GD7.
Don't forget a little thing like practising your form in different directions. If you're so used to seeing yourself in the dojo mirror and you get to a grading in a different location it could really mess you up. Do your form starting normally (North), then south, east, west. Also work one form only and set up a series of ways to do it. Take generously from GD7's suggestions. Then save your best for last and blast the form PROPERLY at the end. Great way to end the workout on a positive note.
Thanks,
Rob
Don't forget a little thing like practising your form in different directions. If you're so used to seeing yourself in the dojo mirror and you get to a grading in a different location it could really mess you up. Do your form starting normally (North), then south, east, west. Also work one form only and set up a series of ways to do it. Take generously from GD7's suggestions. Then save your best for last and blast the form PROPERLY at the end. Great way to end the workout on a positive note.
Thanks,
Rob
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
- Thread Starter
- #11
Glad you liked it......... Don't worry this is just the warm up....
In different environments.......ie
cold with few clothes on
cold with too many clothes on
hot with a heavy coat
on unevenground
in a pool
barefoot on rocks
against live opponents from all angles
I just wanted to get you thinking......... those that know me don't want me to come to class with a full tank of gas...... lol
:asian:
In different environments.......ie
cold with few clothes on
cold with too many clothes on
hot with a heavy coat
on unevenground
in a pool
barefoot on rocks
against live opponents from all angles
I just wanted to get you thinking......... those that know me don't want me to come to class with a full tank of gas...... lol
:asian:
Sigung86
2nd Black Belt
Dennis ....
When is the last time it got cold in your hometown???:rofl:
Dan
Yari
Master Black Belt
There's some great inputs here!
As an ekstra:
I sometimes do them backwards, to make sure that I've got all the details. Somethimes I change the "beat"/timing, and it gives me a greater understanding of why it's done that way.
But it's not something I do often, just once in a while.
Ither times at classes I get the pupils to stand differently, some facing northe, some west, some east, and some in between. That way the don't get use to see what do do from the guy besides them or infront of them and so on...
/Yari
As an ekstra:
I sometimes do them backwards, to make sure that I've got all the details. Somethimes I change the "beat"/timing, and it gives me a greater understanding of why it's done that way.
But it's not something I do often, just once in a while.
Ither times at classes I get the pupils to stand differently, some facing northe, some west, some east, and some in between. That way the don't get use to see what do do from the guy besides them or infront of them and so on...
/Yari
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
- Thread Starter
- #14
Well, lets see here, just this winter it got down to about 75 degrees....... man I had to put on a shirt. It was brisk!
Gimme slack!
:hammer:
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DartingMAce
Guest
I run the forms, up to short 3, both right side and left side... Also i run the forms hands only from the Horse stance.
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
- Thread Starter
- #16
Why not after short on both sides?
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RCastillo
Guest
:asian: Thanks , Mr. C., for dominating the whole thing. I'm sitting here with all my ideas, and no where to go.
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Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
- Thread Starter
- #18
Think deeper young Cain.
You siesta you lose.
:asian:
You siesta you lose.
:asian:
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RCastillo
Guest
It's like going to the buffet table, with high rank in front, all the good dishes are gone, and nothing left put scraps!:soapbox:
Sigung86
2nd Black Belt
Ricardo,
Ya gotta push a little harder and get that rank so you can get to the front of the line and get all the fried chicken you want!:rofl:
Dan
